Its obvious the team is backing TS. You expected him to say what? "Yeah now that we are winning they should ****can the coach"?
I certainly didn’t expect him to say that going 0-7 was “much needed”, especially given how he kept crapping over Suck for Luck every chance he had. That’s a little hypocritical. Something like “We never wanted to go 0-7, but we changed our approach to the game and it’s paying off. We think we can build on this” would have been a better response. Though it wouldn’t have explained why the 2010 training camp storyline of how Sparano changed his approach and went easier on the players seems to have been conveniently forgotten. So apparently the team needed a change from the change? Yeah, let’s bring Sparano back! Dansby makes no sense here. Taylor doesn’t either, especially since being the fan favorite is his schtick. Since when does the fan favorite tell the fans he doesn’t give a damn about them?
What's so wrong with what he said? I agree. It sounds like changes were needed. The players took over the lockeroom. Tony made changes. I think it's all positive for moving forward. It's not like he said they wanted to go 0-7, or that was the goal. I'm sure if you asked Karlos if he'd rather be 7-0, he'd say yes. Sometimes things like this wake people up to changes.
I think it makes sense. I think that's what Dansby was saying. He doesn't have the large vocabulary that you do though.
1. The changes were supposedly made in August 2010, and again in January 2011, so why were additional changes needed in November 2011? 2. The changes that actually need to be made going forward are increasingly less likely to happen with each additional win.
There is nothing that an athlete or its fanbase says or does that surprises me anymore. I'm not sure if any of them know what they mean.
So Tony's best trait is the ability to keep a team working hard after an 0-7 start to the season. I'd prefer a coach who doesn't need that ability.
The best quote from the 2011 season still belongs to Tony Sparano. "We have a plan for every scenario in place". Yeah...
Hey, remember when last season ended and a lot of people were saying the players didn't like or want to play for Sparano? Yeah...
I'm sure continually successful teams like the Packers and Steelers would accept 0-7.....in a backwards dimension. Doesn't make any sense. I don't think the key to winning a super bowl or even a playoff game is to start 0-7.
Exactly. Now we know what Cam was saying. Getting kicked in the a** repeatedly teaches an underachieving team with talent what doesn't work, until everyone together hits on a combination that does. It's football Darwinism. The faster the process of repeated failure yields progress by execution, the better. Here, it took seven games. Is it possible that Cam wasn't a drooling idiot after all, and that Dansby is trying to say the same thing? The question now is what happens if we keep winning. No way Ross fires Sparano or Ireland if we now beat the Pats, the Jets, the Bills and the Eagles after having lost to Dallas by one point in their house. The players would riot and burn down the building. We would have played ourselves out of the top ten slots by the time of the draft and would probably go BPA.
I understand the sentiment he was trying to say... Sometimes you have to fail before you can succeed. It's going to be hard to argue that logic if they go 7-9 or 8-8, IMO.
Beating the Jets isn't an accomplishment of note. And the Patriots are fielding the worst pass defense in their history, and we still lost to them already.
Amazing and I may be wrong but it has been 10 seasons since we had an ILB with a pick six. Great play by Kevin Burnett.
Crowder was one who had as much to do with the fans turning on their team as anyone...It was a tough decision for the GM, but it was one that was overdue..
Back on topic...Lets revisit at 7 and 9, or 8 and 8..unless we wanna just speculate on this pretty cool dynamic.. Personally, If we were to run the table, go 8 and 8, that would be exciting going into 2012, but I would still take a QB in the first round, even trade up to get one, and give Sparano/Irish another year on the accomplishment of improving the record of the team from the year prior, amidst great adversity, while building toughness and some unity going into the offseason, and 15 mill under the cap.
I think there is something to be said for the development of players and coaches. Ultimately it comes down to whether what we've seen the last 6 weeks is just a data point or the start of a sustained trend. If going 0-7 was a learning experience, then we won't see the team revert back to that form.
This team must be really bonded together for Dansby to believe 0-7 was "much needed". I'm hearing a ton of implied "WE" from his statement. That means he's thinking about this entire team, as one unit, focused on building something special together despite realizing it won't pay dividends this year.
And to be honest, I'd much rather see Dansby taking some type of ownership in the long-term view of the team. I certainly would prefer players that care enough to have an opinion on whether a coach stays, than players that were indifferent and apathetic.
They are however the two teams that the Fins play twice a year and have finished above them the past two years. The Pats may have a bad pass d but they are still 9-3, they find ways to win. Thats what good teams do. I am just saying its not a cakewalk. Blow out the Jets with their playoffs on the line I will fist pump until the draft.
if he truly wants to be great, {like how he gets paid} he will show as much focus off the field with leadership, in getting guys inspired to want to play together, which is something that he needs to step up on, and he needs to take care of his body better to keep his quickness thru the early thirties...He's got game, so if he do those things for us, he will be worth it all.
The problematic scenario that will arise is Sparano is canned is the one where the players liked playing for Sparano so much that they give no leeway or accept the new coaches philosophy and goals. This can make us A LOT worse than we are now. And please don't say its not true because I have witnessed it happen multiple times when I played.
Like him or not, one of the more successful coaches the past decade has been Bill Belichick and there was a season or two ago in which Belichick was noted for serving "humble pie" to his team to bring them down to earth and get them to realize they weren't perfect, they still had room for improvement, they still had to work hard. Granted, the Patriots organization as a whole, top to bottom has been able to keep the team overall a success, but even successful teams need to have the individual parts reminded from time to time, you're not sucessful by association. You're successful through hard work. Preseason prediction by EVERYONE in the NFL, the Miami Dolphins defense was going to be an ELITE defense this season, with 10 of 11 starters returning and second year under Mike Nolan, Miami's defense was listed at a top 10 defense with many assuming it would be a top 5 level defense. Success by association? Did those 10 of 11 returning starters just somehow felt because they were who they were...and everyone telling them who they were, they were going to be successful just by showing up? Unfortunately, Miami's defense needed not just a slice of humble pie, but an entire pie, or the entire bakery to wake them up. Would anyone argue over the last 5 weeks of the season, there's a BETTER defense overall than Miami's? THIS is the defense we all expected to show up on opening day. THIS is the defense we all heard about. THIS is the defense we were promised. Dansby was right, they needed to get the crap kicked out of them to jar that inner pride, to wake them up. Does it suck that it took seven *** whippings on the defense to get them playing the caliber of defense they're playing now? Sucks to the highest level of sucktivity, but we can all only hope this defense has learned a VALUABLE lesson from that *** whipping and will NEVER let that happen again. Offensively, those who follow football objectively knew that with the implementation of a new offensive coordinator and new offense all together, there was going to be a learning curve and hitting a few speed bumps or pot holes in the road and Henne did start to show SOME promise before getting injured and Moore having to come in and start from scratch. I do honestly think however, Moore was able to pick up on the offense quicker than Henne did...and Moore was able to rally the offense behind him better than Henne did. Coaching, did the coaching staff make some mistakes? Of course they did. Every coach makes mistakes, some more than others and I was one who was SCREAMING for Ross to pull the trigger after each painful loss following week 4. I'm still going to have to wait until the end of the season (well, following our Christmas Eve game with New England) for me to know for sure whether or not retaining Sparano is a smart move. Getting your *** whipped week after week sucks...it's painful and it makes us fans want to take prozac by the handful, but something I would always tell my kids...and tell my soldiers, sometimes yo can learn more from failure than you can from success and a failure is only a failure, if you don't learn anything from it. Like everyone else, I hope the Dolphins have learned from their failure.
So we can win and coach without pressure, thats great because there isn't ever pressure in the NFL... Glad the guys got loose after losing 7 in a row. 4-8 means we stink and have no shot at the playoffs, awesome that everyone has bonded and is playing hard after it stopped mattering. Sorry but these aren't signs of a team on the rise. I'm glad they haven't quit, it shows something, but it shouldn't change the reality that Sparano just isn't a championship caliber coach.
It was obvious this was going to happen, if you watch the post game locker room videos, you see that this team clearly loves it's coach. Sure it's helped out by winning some games recently, but they love the guy. I don't get it. As for it being his change in style after week 7... and loosening up things a bit... uh... didnt Ricky Williams come out and say just as much as the end of the year last year? He was a veteran player, he knows how things go in this league... Why didnt Tony listen, and realize it then? Hmm... if the players say that's what one of the big reasons for the turnaround is... makes you wonder why it wasn't done oh... I dunno.. to start this season..
