Crowder, Bell, Camarillo, Carey

I think they could all be back next year. If there's one guy whose gone though, its Carey IMO. He's said a couple times that he wanted to hit the market to see his value. He could be back if we slap the franchise tag on him though. Bell will have a new deal soon and they're working on one with Camarillo. Crowder will be back if he doesn't ask for too much money.

I would keep them all to be honest. Bell is a hell of a player. I think his injury history makes you worry when giving him a new deal though. I would think there would be some stipulations in the contract or something. Crowder is inconsistent but is solid IMO. Carey doesn't seem to be playing at his usual level this year but he's still a good player IMO. However, you have to wonder if he's really a good player or has he just stood out from a bunch of average linemen in the past. That's something to really think about.

It would be hard to let either of those guys walk. If I let one guy walk though, I think it would be either Crowder or Carey. You can get good RT's later in the draft (i.e. Jeremy Clary of SD) but Crowder is a solid player as well and that position can be improved on. I'm not sure really. I guess Carey?

I'd keep Carey and get rid of Crowder.

Do we get picks if someone picks one of these guys up?

I would like to keep all of them! Thats probably not feasable. I have no inclination to research Salary Cap numbers and such. There are some very good posters that do understand that so they could anyswer it better then I could.

On another note: If anyone has not visited the various other, non-football forums, on this site you should take some time and do so. I have been visiting the Political, Scientific, and Religious forums the past few weeks and I am astounded and amazed at the knowledge of the people in our community. Yeah we have some brilliant football minds on here but it goes far beyond that. ( I also like the ladies lounge but thats a different story).

"mullingan wrote:

I would like to keep all of them! Thats probably not feasable. I have no inclination to research Salary Cap numbers and such. There are some very good posters that do understand that so they could anyswer it better then I could.

On another note: If anyone has not visited the various other, non-football forums, on this site you should take some time and do so. I have been visiting the Political, Scientific, and Religious forums the past few weeks and I am astounded and amazed at the knowledge of the people in our community. Yeah we have some brilliant football minds on here but it goes far beyond that. ( I also like the ladies lounge but thats a different story).

I agree man. So many smart people to learn from. Love it. I didn't go in the Religious Forum before but lately I've started going into it and man they know a lot. Same applies to the PoFo and the Scientific forum as you said. By the way, good to talk to you mullingan. :hi5:

"anlgp wrote:

Do we get picks if someone picks one of these guys up?

I believe we get some compensatory (I think that's what their called) picks if they started an X amount of game or contributed a specific number.

If there is an odd man out, I'd bet it's Vernon Carey.

Carey is, in my opinion gone.
He's playing okay this year, but that's about it. He's as much to blame for our anemic rush attack as the next guy, though.
The way we keep bringing in OL, I believe we're already preparing for Carey's departure.
I can't see us overpaying for him. Especially since our conventional running game hasn't been stellar.
At this point my hope is that he gets a high tag and someone is willing to give up, say a 2nd rd pick for a guy who can play LT.

IMO everyone else will be here next year. Crowder has stated Sparano is the only guy he wants to play for. So I can see him making sure his agent doesn't price him out of the Dolphins' plans.
We need Camarillo and Bell.....IMO

Carey will likely be gone. Remember as well that they've just ponied up $17 million over 2 years for Jason Ferguson, so that cap space is a little less than it was. Plus there are 2 second round picks to sign. It all adds up.

If Carey wants Derrick Dockery + money, he'll be out.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Would you get rid of a 24 year old line backer that is improving each game and just scratching the surface of the prime of his career? He played one of, if not, his best game as a Dolphin last week vs. the Seahawks.

IMHO, he's too inconsistent. We can do better.

I think crowder, bell, and camarillo all stay. Carey is up in the air. I woudlnt mind keeping him, but because of his ability to play LT well, and RT well, somebody is probably going to shell out a large amount of cash to get him to walk away from the phins.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Would you get rid of a 24 year old line backer that is improving each game and just scratching the surface of the prime of his career? He played one of, if not, his best game as a Dolphin last week vs. the Seahawks.

even though i think i have a pretty good idea of channings ceiling iam starting to like him on this team as long as we get somebody explosive in the draft next year to play with him, {mulaluaga,cushing,ck's boy clint} hes a TRUE DOLPHIN and i would like to see him grow with the team.. {like to see his game grow as well}, know what iam sayin.

I will make a prediction....Channing crowder will be resigned to this team, That man is loyal, he loves this team, i promise he will not leave for a better offer.

"alen1 wrote:

I think they could all be back next year. If there's one guy whose gone though, its Carey IMO. He's said a couple times that he wanted to hit the market to see his value. He could be back if we slap the franchise tag on him though. Bell will have a new deal soon and they're working on one with Camarillo. Crowder will be back if he doesn't ask for too much money.

I would keep them all to be honest. Bell is a hell of a player. I think his injury history makes you worry when giving him a new deal though. I would think there would be some stipulations in the contract or something. Crowder is inconsistent but is solid IMO. Carey doesn't seem to be playing at his usual level this year but he's still a good player IMO. However, you have to wonder if he's really a good player or has he just stood out from a bunch of average linemen in the past. That's something to really think about.

It would be hard to let either of those guys walk. If I let one guy walk though, I think it would be either Crowder or Carey. You can get good RT's later in the draft (i.e. Jeremy Clary of SD) but Crowder is a solid player as well and that position can be improved on. I'm not sure really. I guess Carey?

I'd say Carey too. You can't underestimate Crowder's leadership and energy that he brings to the defense every day. Not to mention the coaching staff has raved about his smarts.

I would love to see all of them come back and begin drafting players to take the place of Carey and Bell (Bell only because of age). One question that I have regarding Carey if he were to be franchised, is what position would that be? He played last year as a Left Tackle but the majority of his career as a RT I believe. Not really sure how this works, and would appreciate it if someone could shed some light on that issue.

"larfo2224 wrote:

I would love to see all of them come back and begin drafting players to take the place of Carey and Bell (Bell only because of age). One question that I have regarding Carey if he were to be franchised, is what position would that be? He played last year as a Left Tackle but the majority of his career as a RT I believe. Not really sure how this works, and would appreciate it if someone could shed some light on that issue.

I would think that he's franchised as a RT because that's his current position. Its not the same as Terrell Suggs in Baltimore for example. Suggs plays OLB and DE while Carey only plays RT.

I believe he would be tagged based upon where he's playing at the time.

FYI: the ""Franchise Tag" doesn't differentiate between LT, RT, etc. For an OL it's just that. A FT for an OL.

Here, I found a link to a resource with that information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

"alen1 wrote:

I would think that he's franchised as a RT because that's his current position. Its not the same as Terrell Suggs in Baltimore for example. Suggs plays OLB and DE while Carey only plays RT.

Suggs argued he was a DE not an OLB during his contract negotiation so that he could be paid at the higher rate for a DE but he was tagged as an OLB and as far as I know that's the tender he signed.

"Conuficus wrote:

Suggs argued he was a DE not an OLB during his contract negotiation so that he could be paid at the higher rate for a DE but he was tagged as an OLB and as far as I know that's the tender he signed.

I believe that's correct Con.

OT: You watching VT/UM game? Macho Harris is on display.

"alen1 wrote:

I believe that's correct Con.

OT: You watching VT/UM game? Macho Harris is on display.

Making a DVD right now of the game. Adds some zest to my pet project down the line. But yup I got it on in my house. :yes:

"Conuficus wrote:

Making a DVD right now of the game. Adds some zest to my pet project down the line. But yup I got it on in my house. :yes:

Sweet. When you get a chance to watch it, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Harris. I'm taking some notes from what I've seen so far. Its a pain that he keeps playing in loose coverage though, always out of the screen.

"alen1 wrote:

Sweet. When you get a chance to watch it, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Harris. I'm taking some notes from what I've seen so far. Its a pain that he keeps playing in loose coverage though, always out of the screen.

You can only do what you can and then make the best of what you saw. Just remember that players are very habitual, whether it be bad or good and it will show up if you watch. Does the guy turn right or left usually, is he giving inside or our outside leverage and does he fight to maintain that leverage? You'll see what he does, just be patient.

"Conuficus wrote:

You can only do what you can and then make the best of what you saw. Just remember that players are very habitual, whether it be bad or good and it will show up if you watch. Does the guy turn right or left usually, is he giving inside or our outside leverage and does he fight to maintain that leverage? You'll see what he does, just be patient.

You are my hero. Thank you.

I think Carey is gonig to be the odd man out

"alen1 wrote:

You are my hero. Thank you.

Wow, even the Hero job market is looking bleak. :lol: