Credit to Ross and his Vision

Guy's a slow learner, but he's learning it seems. Can't sing his praises until we get the coaching situation fixed, or until we become a really good team (even .. gulp .. with Philbin). For the most part, a lot of the moves we like are just correcting mistakes he made earlier, but like I said he's learning.

Still don't like keeping Philbin around. Otherwise I would say hes building a NICE organization. The only thing I worry about is continuity with the offense alot of new parts. Who's ryans security blanked? Cameron? Lots of youth at reciever hopefully Jennings helps mold these guys into a unit by week 2-3...

I don't think I will sing any praises until we get to be a second round playoff caliber team .

He isn't giving up. That is respected.

"cbrad wrote:

Guy's a slow learner, but he's learning it seems. Can't sing his praises until we get the coaching situation fixed, or until we become a really good team (even .. gulp .. with Philbin). For the most part, a lot of the moves we like are just correcting mistakes he made earlier, but like I said he's learning.

The roster should be appealing to a new HC when Philbin is fired though, and should the redone stadium. Arrows are heading up.

"CaribPhin wrote:

I wouldn't say Top 5 just yet, but it's solid. Landry has to show that the second year wall can be scaled at 9.0 YPC, Stills has to show that he's productive away from a sure HOFer, Matthews has to see the field, Jennings has to show he still has gas in the tank, and Parker has to show he can adjust to the NFL game.

If Landry, Parker, Stills & Jordan play well, what Jennings & Matthews do is largely irrelevant to us being a Top 5 offense, IMO.

"Aquafin wrote:

I don't think I will sing any praises until we get to be a second round playoff caliber team .

I'll settle for 10 wins. Then I will give praise.

He's improved, there's no doubt about that. He's still makign some mistakes, he just can't help himself from opening his mouth sometimes when he shouldnt. However, he's learning. I head the guys on Sirius NFL radio talking a few months abot about how hard it is to be an owner in the NFL. Most of these guys are passionate about the game, and their teams... and really, why wouldn't they be? They've got ALOT of money tied up in the investment. There's no handbook for being an NFL owner, sometimes theres things you just learn as you go along. He's learned from his major early mistakes, hired some key football people to make the important football decisions, he's tried everythign he could to fund the stadium the way almost every other NFL team does, but using public funds, failed there, but then backed the renovations largely on his own. You've got to respect that.

Like someone said earlier, the arrows are pointing up in every aspect of this team I'd think. That's a good thing.

"cbrad wrote:

Guy's a slow learner, but he's learning it seems. Can't sing his praises until we get the coaching situation fixed, or until we become a really good team (even .. gulp .. with Philbin). For the most part, a lot of the moves we like are just correcting mistakes he made earlier, but like I said he's learning.

I agree. It is hard to give Ross much credit when he is the owner who stuck with Ireland way too long and still has mediocre Philbin as the head coach.

While I like what I see from the new front office. I still see this as an 8-8 team in 2015. So Ross will have a chance after the season to change my opinion of him as an owner when he selects a new head coach to replace Philbin starting in 2016.

Ah the draft. Hope springs eternal. Lol

J/k but let's how the product does on the field before we start praising him. It could all go pear shaped quickly.

"Conuficus wrote:

Ah the draft. Hope springs eternal. Lol

J/k but let's how the product does on the field before we start praising him. It could all go pear shaped quickly.

That is not the point, Ross has done everything possible to get the Fins pointed in the right direction, his only problem at first is that he didn't get the memo telling him the NFL is not business it's show business.
The local press is always putting the team down and second guessing everything they do, does OMAR need to tweet Wallace>Stills is that necessary or is he just trying to **** the kid up.
After many many years this is the best I've felt about this team and the owner, I do agree Philbin should have been gone.

"fin13 wrote:

That is not the point, Ross has done everything possible to get the Fins pointed in the right direction, his only problem at first is that he didn't get the memo telling him the NFL is not business it's show business.
The local press is always putting the team down and second guessing everything they do, does OMAR need to tweet Wallace>Stills is that necessary or is he just trying to **** the kid up.
After many many years this is the best I've felt about this team and the owner, I do agree Philbin should have been gone.

Our local media has to be about the worst in the league. I know NYC is tough, but many cities, like Pittsburgh and Chicago to name just a few, are generally supportive of the teams. Our local guys since the late 90s at least (when with the internet, I gained access to Miami papers) have had an endless anti-Fins axe to grind.

He hasn't learned from his mistakes at all.

He kept Philbin and then half-measured his way into another bizarre power structure. The only reason this hasn't become an embarrassment is that Tannenbaum has seized goodwill with the fans and has managed to cobble together decent relationship with Hickey after demoting him.

Our pretty much only hope is that Tannenbaum turns out to have learned a lot from his stint with the Jets and is able to largely seize the reins in terms of football operations and Ross basically just shows up to sign checks. Which is putting a lot of faith in Tannenbaum.

Im happy with him, i like how the two headed GM works, and the stadium rebuild is now going unnoticed and under appreciated..

"Disgustipate wrote:

He hasn't learned from his mistakes at all.

He kept Philbin and then half-measured his way into another bizarre power structure. The only reason this hasn't become an embarrassment is that Tannenbaum has seized goodwill with the fans and has managed to cobble together decent relationship with Hickey after demoting him.

Our pretty much only hope is that Tannenbaum turns out to have learned a lot from his stint with the Jets and is able to largely seize the reins in terms of football operations and Ross basically just shows up to sign checks. Which is putting a lot of faith in Tannenbaum.

Didn't Ross hire Tannenbaum, like it's very clear to me that he is in charge

Ross deserves a ton of credit, self financed stadium upgrades, putting a solid foundation in place, and my favorite: ignoring the advice of dumb fans and gasbag media.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Our local media has to be about the worst in the league. I know NYC is tough, but many cities, like Pittsburgh and Chicago to name just a few, are generally supportive of the teams. Our local guys since the late 90s at least (when with the internet, I gained access to Miami papers) have had an endless anti-Fins axe to grind.

I just don't see it the same way you do. The media in South Florida haven't been anymore negative toward the Dolphins than reporters in other NFL cities have been in regards to their teams.

The fact is the Dolphins just haven't been a very good football team for over a decade and it is hard to be positive when the team you are covering as a reporter plays mediocre football, year after year.

Ross has also given them plenty of ammunition to be negative by his actions of trying to hire Harbaugh, while still having a head coach. Also! most reporters and Dolphins fans were calling for the firing of Ireland at least a year before Ross finally saw the light.

The hiring of Philbin, a coach with zero head coaching experience at any level of football was another blunder by Ross. This blunder was only made worse by Ross coming out after the win over a very average Vikings team at home last year and declaring that Philbin would be returning as the head coach in 2015.

The players were so happy to hear Philbin would be returning, they went out the next week and played their worst game of the year when they were completely destroyed by a terrible Jets team.

The Dolphins will get plenty of good press in the local media once they show they deserve it by becoming a better team on the field. You can't expect the media to write positive comments about a team that doesn't provide many positive wins on game day.

If the Dolphin organization doesn't like the negative reports by the local media. All they have to do to change these comments is to start winning more games. It is as simple as that.

"jw3102 wrote:

I just don't see it the same way you do. The media in South Florida haven't been anymore negative toward the Dolphins than reporters in other NFL cities have been in regards to their teams.

The fact is the Dolphins just haven't been a very good football team for over a decade and it is hard to be positive when the team you are covering as a reporter plays mediocre football, year after year.

Ross has also given them plenty of ammunition to be negative by his actions of trying to hire Harbaugh, while still having a head coach. Also! most reporters and Dolphins fans were calling for the firing of Ireland at least a year before Ross finally saw the light.

The hiring of Philbin, a coach with zero head coaching experience at any level of football was another blunder by Ross. This blunder was only made worse by Ross coming out after the win over a very average Vikings team at home last year and declaring that Philbin would be returning as the head coach in 2015.

The players were so happy to hear Philbin would be returning, they went out the next week and played their worst game of the year when they were completely destroyed by a terrible Jets team.

The Dolphins will get plenty of good press in the local media once they show they deserve it by becoming a better team on the field. You can't expect the media to write positive comments about a team that doesn't provide many positive wins on game day.

If the Dolphin organization doesn't like the negative reports by the local media. All they have to do to change these comments is to start winning more games. It is as simple as that.

I agree with all of what you wrote except the bolded part. Nothing wrong with trying out a guy who hasn't been a HC yet. Failure to see the hire was a bad decision is another story.

"fin13 wrote:

Didn't Ross hire Tannenbaum, like it's very clear to me that he is in charge

So, what exactly?

Dennis Hickey is officially the GM, and supposed to have full control over the roster.

In reality, he's basically been demoted to Tannenbaum's assistant. Then there's Aponte, and Philbin who went from having all the juice to none in an off-season. And if Tannenbaum slips up, it'll be something else. Maybe a Head Coach/GM?

"jw3102 wrote:

I just don't see it the same way you do. The media in South Florida haven't been anymore negative toward the Dolphins than reporters in other NFL cities have been in regards to their teams.

The fact is the Dolphins just haven't been a very good football team for over a decade and it is hard to be positive when the team you are covering as a reporter plays mediocre football, year after year.

Ross has also given them plenty of ammunition to be negative by his actions of trying to hire Harbaugh, while still having a head coach. Also! most reporters and Dolphins fans were calling for the firing of Ireland at least a year before Ross finally saw the light.

The hiring of Philbin, a coach with zero head coaching experience at any level of football was another blunder by Ross. This blunder was only made worse by Ross coming out after the win over a very average Vikings team at home last year and declaring that Philbin would be returning as the head coach in 2015.

The players were so happy to hear Philbin would be returning, they went out the next week and played their worst game of the year when they were completely destroyed by a terrible Jets team.

The Dolphins will get plenty of good press in the local media once they show they deserve it by becoming a better team on the field. You can't expect the media to write positive comments about a team that doesn't provide many positive wins on game day.

If the Dolphin organization doesn't like the negative reports by the local media. All they have to do to change these comments is to start winning more games. It is as simple as that.

Yeah, but you have to admit there is more cheap shots than analysis, I can't get over Omar's tweet about Stills, wait till he plays and then **** him up if he deserves it, but comparing him to Wallace "The Quitter" now, give me a break.

"Disgustipate wrote:

So, what exactly?

Dennis Hickey is officially the GM, and supposed to have full control over the roster.

In reality, he's basically been demoted to Tannenbaum's assistant. Then there's Aponte, and Philbin who went from having all the juice to none in an off-season. And if Tannenbaum slips up, it'll be something else. Maybe a Head Coach/GM?

I see this org working better than any we've had so far.
People will find their place or be gone.

Maybe Mr. T has the Parcells job, everybody loved it when Parcells came in.
Maybe they needed the change with Tannenbaum coming in.

If he fired Jeff mother****ing cancer Ireland a year earlier i would repect him but he didn't.

What a joke. Ross is a business man selling a product; he still sleeps in his Jets pajamas. When it's the Dolphins ruling the east instead of the Patriots then, and only then, has he accomplished something.