Sure they do, there are passrushing DE's in every draft. Big plays on offense are something we struggle with, Ginn offers big plays, Avril, who is fighting just to be a starter for a crappy Lions team, offers not much of anything except for a Camp Body who has to convert to OLB to even make the team.
Heading into the offseason at the moment, Ted Ginn is one of the starting WR's, and he has performed better than KR he replaced. But anyway, that's besides the point. We're talking the right price for Cliff Avril, and trading away Ted Ginn isn't it. 5th or 6th Rd draft pick, on the other hand, sounds about right.
Maybe it's time for a reminder of Ginn's limitations in terms of catching the ball and having the balls to make the tough catch. Despite his straight line speed, these things are negating him as a viable deep threat: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYSxJgjjJFc"]YouTube- Ted Ginn Jr. and Snoop Dogg - Drop it Like it's Hot[/ame]
A camp body? What? He had more sacks last year than any of the guys he's competing with on this roster and would only be behind Wake in likeliness to start, not to mention he's a better run defender.
Good. Now can you show me a video that displays what makes Cliff Avril a viable pass rush threat? I'll wait.
It's not a glamorous position you're not going to find one. I'll stick with the number of pressures, sacks per snap, and they're improving.
Since when? I'd rather have Anthony Spencer with all the pressure he's created and decent sacks than Joey Porter's sack-or-nothing approach.
We're not talking about Anthony Spencer. We're talking about Cliff Avril. And quite frankly, Porter has made more impact in the game than Avril.
Nothing against you,brother,or your thread. Just a bit tired of the Fins doing nothing the last decade in FA and for the most part(the draft).Yep,I said that... It's the slow,speculating part of the year and we do squat SH-&T. Everyone want's this guy-that guy-we need to trade for that one-we can have this one for-we NEED to draft this player because. Man,it's very tiresome for some fans hearing all this stuff when it hasn't happened in a LONG time. It is time to do something about it now! The 3 year plan is almost up.
More or less, us fans are chatting about "Ginn for Avril" the Front Office is bringing in that perennial all pro Rotten Richie Incognito, a guy who washed out of the Rams and Bills.. Oh boy... Signing Dansby is huge though, and adding ex CFLers Dimitri Tsoumpas and Ryan Mullens are smart moves, and there is tons of film on both at CFL.tv on youtube. But a DBess clone and a Guard are not exactly headline grabbing moves, so they are rarely discussed.
http://www.nfl.com/players/cliffavril/profile?id=AVR296636 I would trade Ginn for him and not think twice about it.
If you want to trade Ted Ginn for a guy whose production is matched by a person who hasn't even played the same amount of snaps as him, then I'm glad you're not the GM.
Right considering we have two Cameron Wakes, oh WAIT WE DON'T! Nice that you glossed over Avril's significant margin as a run defender over Wake too. Ted Ginn Jr. has a great shot at being traded in the draft if Miami ends up gathering some extra picks through trade downs and selects a WR combo once again this year.
-- Uh, ok. Let's see: Ginn was benched at WR because he sucked at WR. Ginn was benched as the punt returner because he sucked at punt returner. We'll need a roster spot when we actuallly/hopefully get a #1 WR this year. Who goes? Of all the WRs on the active roster, I would consider Ginn to be the most expendable. Don't kid yourself as to why Ginn's role was so reduced late last year. After multiple screwups he was being phased out.
Uh yes I'm serious. Have you ever seen him play? There's a reason Wake wasn't even on the field on run downs while Avril played on run downs.
What are you talking about? There was a reason why Wake could only get on the field in obvious passing situations. He was a liability against the run. Will he get better? Probably, at least I really hope so. But to say Wake is as good against the run as Avril is just plain wrong. It just is.
Just because Player A is on the field more often than Player B doesn't mean he is that Player A is better than Player B in a certain category.
Clearly you've seen Wake's run-stopping practice prowess that was clearly better than Avril's production on the field.
And clearly you've seen so much of Cliff Avril that you know that he's a better run stopper than Wake.
In fact. Yes I've watched Cliff Avril play. He's not an exceptional run stopper, but he's no liability and could play SOLB as far as I've seen.
Cliff Avril's coahes weren't afraid to keep him on the field in running situations. That's more than you can say for Wake's coaches.
Considering they had Vernon Davis ranked very low as a Tight End, I tend to take that with a grain of salt. And on that note. I'm out. Goodnight peeps!
