Conservative nature and poor game planning relative to your QB skill set

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    this is not about 1 play, don't know where you got that from, this is about total gameplan a total commitment to what our qb has to work with..

    no'one said he sucks, I'm saying he isn't as good when his legs aren't woven into the gameplan, and our offense isn't as effective, and our coordinator inexplicably forgot that for an entire game.

    its about gameplanng to keep a defense off balance, right from the get, to win the game of chess you have to project and plan your moves, I didn't see any of that yesterday.
     
  2. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    The defense they played was based on NOT allowing him to use his legs. I'm not sure what you wanted. That game was exactly how I thought it would be and getting Tannehill killed by moving the pocket and cutting the field in half for an elite defense was no changing that.

    Aside from the pick Ryan wasn't bad yesterday. He was actually damn good at taking what an elite defense gave him.
     
  3. djphinfan

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    you might be right, but you are what you are at this point..we are not a team who sits in the pocket with decent presence and pushes the ball downfield are we.

    you can misdirect anyone in this game, you just have to be smart and utilize your skill sets properly.

    of course when you paint a picture of if we just run a read option into the teeth, its going to fail, in that context probably so, but its not as cut and dry as that..

    Rolls, boots, misdirect, qb running thru open lanes against the rush. read option..its all on what plays you call at the right time..
     
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  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    you do not have to be a coach to understand the sequential part of calling plays relative to your strengths and what you think the defense is going to do..Just because they are a great defense does not mean you abandoned what your good at..you have to have more foresight, more intuitiveness, more understanding of where they are going to beat you and go away from that.
     
  5. djphinfan

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    does the sample size in jacksonville not back up my point, the coaches and players knew what the jags were gonna do, they new they were gonna attack the pocket area, Lazor admitted that he called the wrong type of gameplay to offset that, he admitted that he should of moved ryan around more early, stating that '' maybe there is something to him running around getting him in rhythm.
     
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    We did move him today. The lions have dominant DEs and superfast linebackers that completely shut down any run options. You are so enamored of this dying offensive system that you aren't paying attention to the type of defenses it might work against and those it won't. When the defense is shadowing tanny and going after tanny on handoffs its not the day to run your qb
     
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    Eh never mind atombomb just exlained it
     
  8. djphinfan

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    what advantage do the lions have over our team? besides Suh?

    the truth is, Lazor knows more about x's and o's than any of us, for sure, it just doesn't mean he's accurate in how best to utilize this qbs skill set..coaches miss evaluate.

    see dion jordan..they have a 270 lb kid who they are having play in coverage and lining up at sam...great, I'm in love with the idea, however, don't you think if they were going to use him like this they should of strictly monitored his weight and development there so he could be as quick and explosive as possible?
     
  9. djphinfan

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    thats your problem, you think its a dying formation so you can't see it...its ok.
     
  10. Alex44

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    Its not about that. Its about the fact their specific gameplan was to take that away. I've said before I'm not a fan of bootlegs except short yardage situations.

    People think bootlegs alleviate pressure. They don't. They create extra pressure on the edges often. Yesterday the Lions kept their DEs off the tackles outside shoulders and used them to contain. Had Tannehill rolled out the ends would have disengaged and absolutely murdered him.

    We actually did exactly what I said we needed to do to alleviate pressure pregame. During the game I told you why Tannehill hadn't kept a read option...then when he did, exactly what I said would happen...happened.

    You don't do exactly what the defense is defending you to do. We didn't lose due to play calling. The plays to win were there and the players crapped the bed.

    We didn't lose because Tannehill didn't move. We lost because we threw a terrible pick early and settled for three points on two of our most effective drives.

    Look DJ...no disrespect. I agree about moving the pocket in some instances. Because it increases your chance to win against certain alignments. We are on the same page there.

    Howevet this week the only thing it would have succeeded at is getting our QB beat up in Detroit like he was Eminem in the movie 8 Mile. Especially with how dirty the Lions play.
     
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  11. djphinfan

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    example of bad playacting...we don't get them off balance on the first drive at all, none of our playcalling reflects the multidimensional aspect of the qb, they win first drive, then on the 2nd drive we try to run a double reverse....bad.
     
  12. djphinfan

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    basically what your telling me is we had to run up the middle and keep ryan static in the pocket??? even though we know our interior line is our weakness, and Suh is the best interior defender in football.?, is that what your telling me, we had no choice??

    i realize that Suh was destroying the inside on his own thus allowing the def ends the freedom to hold contain but running at Suh imo was the wrong call, dropping ryan strait back was the wrong call, I will take my chances with ryan on the edge making a play.
     
  13. adamprez2003

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    Well for what its worth dj I think you'll be happy thursday. I think we open up the game moving the pocket and stay that way through the first half
     
  14. Piston Honda

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    Great post Sir.
     

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