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Completing The QB Puzzle

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Southbeach, May 2, 2011.

  1. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    We did not add a QB in the draft but did add surrounding talent and coaching on O. This in itself makes our QB better.


    Chad Henne- He did not improve last year as most had expected him to do. There are a number of reasons to remove a lot of the blame from Henne but not all of it. I believe this is his "do or die" season, and expect him to step up. How far is the question.


    Tyler Thigpen- Thiggy is a good backup with starting experience, and knowledge of the team. He may be our backup but hopefully our #3 QB.

    Available options, via FA or trade, are Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, Vince Young, Donnavan McNabb, Kevin Kolb, Tavaris Jackson, JP Losman, and Mark Bulger.
    Palmer is likely the best option but wants to play on the west coast. Hasselbeck could work but can't see him wanting to come to a young team and compete for starting. Kolb costs too much, and has proven nothing. Bulger is old, and was injured all of last year. Jackson and Losman are average at best.


    I believe McNabb is the choice here. He was embarrassed last year, has a chip on his shoulder, still has talent, and has something to prove. I think he would accept the challenge of having to compete to start, while not costing a lot.

    Your choice?
     
  2. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    a very good idea: veteran QB w/upside on the cheap to compete w/Henne :shifty:
     
  3. padre31

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    "Running Qb's win football games"
     
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  4. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Calling Losman average at best was awful nice of you.

    I want nothing to do with McNabb. On the downside of his career and I think he's just another example of a QB who looked amazing at times in Philadelphia's system, but hasn't proven anything outside of it. See also: A.J. Feeley, Kevin Kolb.

    I don't see any free agent QBs or even the ones who could potentially be bartered for as being permanent solutions at the position. So I'm only in favor of those we wouldn't have to give up a draft pick for. Unless we could get Kyle Orton for a 3rd which I don't think we can.

    Leinart is another cheap option with a little bit of upside.
     
  5. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I am not interested in McNabb. Wouldn't mind Palmer.
     
  6. RoninFin4

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    Not that I'm for or against him, but I have a hunch that Brady Quinn might end up in a Dolphins uniform this season. I think he and Daboll are familiar with each other from their time in Cleveland (may have my timeline wrong here)...again, just a hunch.
     
  7. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    Unless it's the superbowl.

    I'd be more secure with VY as our backup if we had an entrenched starter. but we don't, and if Henne starts to struggle again, the regime will pull Henne and put in VY. Now we're stuck with yet another QB that shows flashes of excellence, but the fanbase will always find excuses why he's not good enough (which he clearly isn't). Then we're stuck in the same scenario for the next couple of years.

    Give me Palmer.
    Orton will cost more than he's worth.
    McNabb has a little left in the tank, but not enough to be our starter and be that effective on a team that is still developing.
    Hasselback would be a terrible choice here. Injury prone, old, with a diminishing arm.
    Tavaris Jackson, JP Losman, and Mark Bulger. - No thank you, no thank you, no thank you
    Kevin Kolb - see Orton above.

    bottom line, w/exception of Palmer, I'd rather have Thigpen as my backup over any of these guys. VY being similar effectiveness as Tyler (IMO) but carries way too much baggage.
     
  8. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    I have to agree with Padre here.


    If.... IF....VY can get his head on straight he'd be a pretty good QB. When he's on the right dose of medication he's able to help his team win games. If he can be had for cheap, I'd want the Dolphins to grab him.
     
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  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, look at it this way, a Qb with a 30-17 record and a playoff birth under his belt, who is 27, will be on the market, can we not look at him?

    Take the emotion out of it, he makes sense, and we would not have to mortgage the future to acquire him.
     
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  10. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    No. You just poison the locker room to bring in a hopeless cause who does not have the brains to be a quarterback.

    Miami's best bet is to resign Tyler Thigpen, and if Henne doesn't have marked improvement in 2011, make a play for Andrew Luck, Landry Jones, or Ryan Lindley next year in the draft.
     
  11. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    valid point, but if the "emotion" or "mental" baggage is his biggest red flag, then how can we take it out of the equation when considering him as a backup QB?
     
  12. FanMarino

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    No way is our team going to regress that much to get Luck. I hope not! I would take Vince Young.
     
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    One team's trash is another team's treasure? In this case, I don't think so.
     
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  14. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    We have no room for Young's baggage. Marshall's has taken all space available. :)
     
  15. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Exactly. The guy basically tried to sabotoge the team once he saw that he wasnt going to be the starter, and we want him as our back up?
     
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  16. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    its all about competition & keeping it on the cheap
     
  17. padre31

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    What I meant by emotion is just be objective, RW had pot problems and was hated amongst dolfans, and yet he comes back to distrust, a 1,300 season later..RW is one of the greatest Running Backs in Dolfans history!

    Mike Vick..boo hiss..dog killer!

    Now he led the Eagles to the playoffs, who is saying anything about Vick's past?

    Strip the "I hate him personally for what he did back when" and just be objective, does the VY from 06-08 make the Dolphins a better football team?

    Titans came off of a 13-3 season with K Collins at Qb, he opened up the next season terribly poorly, in comes VY, Titans go something like 7-2 with Young at the helm, next season Fisher was looking for any excuse to not play him.

    Guess who was their Qb on that 7-1 run? And that was only 2009, in 2010 Fisher yanked him from the lineup by week 6 of 2010 Young was no longer the Starter.
     
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  18. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    It took Mike Vick going to jail and losing all his money to wake his sorry *** up. I lived in Atlanta, just couple of miles from Vick, up until right before he was busted. I still would not want Vick QBing this team.

    And Ricky Williams took significant time off from football to get his head on straight. I never "hated" Ricky Williams. I understood he had some mental issues that needed to be sorted out and he needed the right environment to function well.

    Both those guys took time off (voluntarily or involuntarily) to get their heads back on straight. IMO, VY has even farther to go to get to the same level of maturity. I don't see it happening here as our backup, ESPECIALLY, when fans start clamoring for him to start over Henne.
     
  19. padre31

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    That is emotion though OF, winning is always better than losing.


    Young has played 19 games in 3 yrs, or about 6 per yr, how much more time off would you think he needed?
     
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  20. GARDENHEAD

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    KB, finally we agree on something!!! I want no part of Vince Young. He's squandered his talents. He doesn't have the mental makeup to be a starting QB in the NFL. He is a waste.

    I'd take a flyer on McNabb or Hasslebeck. Carson Palmer is toast.
     
  21. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    there's a BIG difference between time away from the game and time spent on the bench bellyaching because you think you deserve to start.
     
  22. padre31

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    EVERY player should lobby to start, should they be happy sitting?
     
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  23. Southbeach

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    GH, There is no VG answer here or they would not be available. I see McNabb as the best choice but, REALLY hope that Henne proves out to be our best option and imroves as most thought he would last year.
     
  24. Ohio Fanatic

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    So Carson Palmer is toast, but McNabb or Hasselback are not toast? On a toast scale of 1-10, Palmer is a 7, McNabb is an 8, Hasselback is a 9.
     
  25. Ohio Fanatic

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    Your right padre. Every player should lobby to start. But, if they are riding the bench, doing it unprofessionally can disrupt the team and that ticks me off.
    Henne isn't an all-pro by any means. but IMO, he has a shot to perform better than VY, then I easily see VY complaining and disrupting team chemistry.
     
  26. Themole

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    I would like to see that happen if they would allow him to play to his strengths. He would be cheap, possibly a short termer. But his skills would translate into an awesome meat grinder ground game, where he is capable of converting third downs with his legs or the air. I don't know what our defense looks like, cause I wasn't able to watch but two games last year due to the NFL Nth Fl. freeze out of the Phins on TV. I do believe the Vince Youngs, Tim Tebow types will be the wave of the future to some degree because this is what the colleges are putting out.
     
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  27. NJFINSFAN1

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    Only two I think about touching are Carson Palmer and Matt Hasselbeck. I would even say Orton, the others would make me sick.
     
  28. JMHPhin

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    in reg season and in college but not when it counts in the NFL. Name one that has won a super bowl?

    It boggles my mind that anyone that dismisses Henne after 1 and 1-2 to 3/4 yrs starting and then clamours for VY is beyond me. VY been around 5 years and has blown up after each chance given and suddenly another chance will be the one that changes his life around, yet Henne is toast.

    Sorry Padre but VY physical talent is not and is too big a risk that it ever will be matched by his mental shrotcomings and maturity. He was given chance after chance and blew it. Sorry wishful hopeful thinking wont do it.

    Gradkowski is intriguing to me, he has won, can run, can throw and he competes. He would also be cheap
     
  29. padre31

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    Steve Young?

    And I noticed no one else noticed why I posted the pic of Young during an injury in TN, notice he has the play wrist band that has what..40 plays? more?
     
  30. JMHPhin

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    Steve Young wasnt a running qb he was a qb that could run, Young didnt bail after his 1st read unless he had no choice because of pressure.
     
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  31. Coral Reefer

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    In college they do with basic offenses that focus on their athleticism being able to take advantage of a lesser level talent at certain positions.
    Problem is... as has been discussed deeply, that athleticism is minimized in the NFL where even the weaker athletes on pro teams are a huge step above those weaker players in college they were able to victimize. At some point that running QB has to use his head, read defenses and make quick/smart decisions in the passing game. Vince Young is a waste of time.

    Palmer or Hasselback are the 2 QB's that give us what we need.
    Vets that still have some talent and the potential to really push Henne for the starting job.
    McNabb maybe does but he's really looked like a shell of his old self.
     

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