COACHES CORNER: The RPO focus in Miami's new offense this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6CYuTg6eA8:1

All of this stuff can easily be googled all over the net. The commentary you see is from the sites that had the video support.

All of it is 100% reliable in terms of what the RPO is at Alabama and all those that copy them.

If you want to know all the read breakdowns and rules/responsibilities ... here you go:

https://coachtube.com/course/football/the-2020-crimson-tide-offense/13269657?cpnCode=CrimsonEmail70&track=6a05bf66554b8dc9708c3d435fbd914f

Fingers crossed that they don't make it the main focus. I don't enjoy watching it at all whatsoever.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Fingers crossed that they don't make it the main focus. I don't enjoy watching it at all whatsoever.

I see it the exact opposite, we need to play to Tua's strengths and place him in an offense where he will be the most effective. If that's running an RPO, then so be it. All I care about is winning.

"KeyFin wrote:

I see it the exact opposite, we need to play to Tua's strengths and place him in an offense where he will be the most effective. If that's running an RPO, then so be it. All I care about is winning.

It seems an odd thing to do to draft a QB in the top five who's so limited that he can only succeed in one very limited offensive scheme, doesn't it?

I say put him in a bunch of different schemes and looks over the next two years and see if he sinks or if he swims. If he does well, we extend him and he's the QB of the future. If not, we look for someone else. But I don't want to commit to a guy who's a one trick pony for the rest of his career.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

It seems an odd thing to do to draft a QB in the top five who's so limited that he can only succeed in one very limited offensive scheme, doesn't it?

I say put him in a bunch of different schemes and looks over the next two years and see if he sinks or if he swims. If he does well, we extend him and he's the QB of the future. If not, we look for someone else. But I don't want to commit to a guy who's a one trick pony for the rest of his career.

We pretty much did that with Tannehill to the point where the majority of the fanbase thought he was a bum...only to see him lead the league the following year with a different team. But in reality, RT took over an offense that was "dumbed down" for an average QB that couldn't seem to get that offense flowing properly. Call it dumb luck or a genius vision, but Tannehill was a perfect fit for what they designed for Mariota.

I DEFINITELY don't want that with Tua and we should make the offense just as "easy" for him this coming season. If he does well, then mix in some new flavors in 2022 by building on what he's already doing well. But the pieces need to be there around him and that's what we spent the last two years building. Big, imposing line. Speedy receivers with a large catch radius. A lock-down defense that continually gives favorable field position. That's what almost every quarterback not named Marino or Manning need in order to compete on a weekly basis.

Again, the only thing I want to see out of Tua is wins- I could care less how exciting the football is. As long as he's making smart decisions and growing as a professional, then it's a win/win situation since we'll have more to build on next year.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

It seems an odd thing to do to draft a QB in the top five who's so limited that he can only succeed in one very limited offensive scheme, doesn't it?

I say put him in a bunch of different schemes and looks over the next two years and see if he sinks or if he swims. If he does well, we extend him and he's the QB of the future. If not, we look for someone else. But I don't want to commit to a guy who's a one trick pony for the rest of his career.

What is the point in doing this? If Tua thrives in an RPO based offense and that offense can be successful in the NFL, why experiment just to see if he can also be successful in other systems? Would you have advocated for Walsh trying other systems to see if Montana was as good in something other than the WCO?

"KeyFin wrote:

We pretty much did that with Tannehill to the point where the majority of the fanbase thought he was a bum...only to see him lead the league the following year with a different team. But in reality, RT took over an offense that was "dumbed down" for an average QB that couldn't seem to get that offense flowing properly. Call it dumb luck or a genius vision, but Tannehill was a perfect fit for what they designed for Mariota.

I DEFINITELY don't want that with Tua and we should make the offense just as "easy" for him this coming season. If he does well, then mix in some new flavors in 2022 by building on what he's already doing well. But the pieces need to be there around him and that's what we spent the last two years building. Big, imposing line. Speedy receivers with a large catch radius. A lock-down defense that continually gives favorable field position. That's what almost every quarterback not named Marino or Manning need in order to compete on a weekly basis.

Again, the only thing I want to see out of Tua is wins- I could care less how exciting the football is. As long as he's making smart decisions and growing as a professional, then it's a win/win situation since we'll have more to build on next year.

I personally don't equate wins with players at all. For me, that's on coaches. But to that point, the development of the QB and of the offense is FAR, FAR more important that wins for me in 2021. I want the offense to get to the point where it can be effective week after week, put up yards and score points against most opponents.

Given the choice between the offense making good strides and winning eight games, or the offense being horribly inconsistent and still a big question mark but winning eleven games, I'll take door number one and have high hopes going into 2022.

"VManis wrote:

What is the point in doing this? If Tua thrives in an RPO based offense and that offense can be successful in the NFL, why experiment just to see if he can also be successful in other systems? Would you have advocated for Walsh trying other systems to see if Montana was as good in something other than the WCO?

Walsh's system worked, and it turned out that Montana wasn't the only QB that could run it, right? It wasn't about Joe, it was about the system and the players around him. To me, that's basically the polar opposite of what we're talking about with Tua.

RPO seems pretty prevalent in college, so why not run a system that players have spent years playing in?

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I personally don't equate wins with players at all. For me, that's on coaches. But to that point, the development of the QB and of the offense is FAR, FAR more important that wins for me in 2021. I want the offense to get to the point where it can be effective week after week, put up yards and score points against most opponents.

Given the choice between the offense making good strides and winning eight games, or the offense being horribly inconsistent and still a big question mark but winning eleven games, I'll take door number one and have high hopes going into 2022.

I see them both as the same result- good quarterback play equates to wins. That's not saying Tua is winning the game, it simply means the offense is successful and able to outscore the opponent. Heck, in my mind the defense will be the one that continues to carry this team since I expect them to take a good bit of that 2nd year pressure off Tua's shoulders.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

It seems an odd thing to do to draft a QB in the top five who's so limited that he can only succeed in one very limited offensive scheme, doesn't it?

I say put him in a bunch of different schemes and looks over the next two years and see if he sinks or if he swims. If he does well, we extend him and he's the QB of the future. If not, we look for someone else. But I don't want to commit to a guy who's a one trick pony for the rest of his career.

RPO is the opposite of a limited offensive scheme.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

It seems an odd thing to do to draft a QB in the top five who's so limited that he can only succeed in one very limited offensive scheme, doesn't it?

I say put him in a bunch of different schemes and looks over the next two years and see if he sinks or if he swims. If he does well, we extend him and he's the QB of the future. If not, we look for someone else. But I don't want to commit to a guy who's a one trick pony for the rest of his career.

By saying "very limited" in terms of all the ways an RPO can be used I think you don't have a full understanding of what the offense is or how many ways it can be used. The stuff I posted is just a very small look at ways it is used with simple reads.

Here's some other ways its already been used that most don't understand are a part of the RPO system.

I don't like it.
I don't want to watch it.
It's not what I want the Dolphins to be.

So all I can do is hope that it blows up in their face, they go to something else, and that works really well.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I don't like it.
I don't want to watch it.
It's not what I want the Dolphins to be.

So all I can do is hope that it blows up in their face, they go to something else, and that works really well.

What if Tua has a huge leap forward this year and we make the playoffs. Maybe even win a playoff game...If the RPO is a big part of him succeeding than who gives a FUC*? how it's done. They don't call it "franchise" for any other title in the organization other than QB. Its hard to be a good coach with a bad qb. You could make the argument that QB>HC

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I don't like it.
I don't want to watch it.
It's not what I want the Dolphins to be

I’m really curious as to why. Especially if they are consistent and win game s using it.

What would you prefer they use as a base offense? I know everyone wants flexibility, but there has to be a foundation to built off of.

Outside of my morbid curiosity, I think you are going to be very disappointed watching the offense this year. They are built for RPO. It’s going to be the base everything works off of.

"flounder97 wrote:

I’m really curious as to why. Especially if they are consistent and win game s using it.

What would you prefer they use as a base offense? I know everyone wants flexibility, but there has to be a foundation to built off of.

Outside of my morbid curiosity, I think you are going to be very disappointed watching the offense this year. They are built for RPO. It’s going to be the base everything works off of.

Unlucky has been pretty clear about his preferences. He doesn't like the aesthetics of an RPO system. Aesthetics seem to inform a lot of his opinions, from numbers to play style. Please correct me if I am misrepresenting you.

He wants them to run the ball when it's a dead art. He wants the old Wannestadt system.

"Two Tacos wrote:

Unlucky has been pretty clear about his preferences. He doesn't like the aesthetics of an RPO system. Aesthetics seem to inform a lot of his opinions, from numbers to play style. Please correct me if I am misrepresenting you.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

He wants them to run the ball when it's a dead art. He wants the old Wannestadt system.

3 yards and a cloud of dust would be awesome, but I think it’s been proven that won’t work in the NFL today. I can appreciate aesthetics but functionality matter more IMHO.

You guys misunderstand me. I don't want 3 yards and a cloud of dust, and its not really the aesthetics.

What I want is an offense that balances the run and the pass, and can do both effectively. I want to be able to move down the field 5 yards at a time, gain a ton of first downs, eat the clock, have a high completion percentage in the passing game, and avoid turnovers.

As far as the passing game goes, I want the QB to drop back, take his time, scan the field, and throw to the open man with the intent to get positive yardage and not worry about big plays or YAC. Just catch the ball and move down the field.

What I don't want is to pass the ball as soon as the QB takes the snap, to run pass plays that rely on YAC to succeed, to run very often with the QB, or to force deep passes when they aren't there.

Here's what everyone SHOULD want. What is it that Tagovailoa does well...and build the offense around that. We have seen too many times quarterbacks being drafted for how well they played in the NCAA and once they're in the NFL, they want to completely CHANGE the way he plays. Those quarterbacks tend to flop.

If it's an RPO, then so be it. If it's pocket passing, then so be it. Whatever it is he does well, build around his strengths. If its not what you want, then draft a quarterback for the scheme you want to run.

Too bad we dont have any threat at running back... they will just gamble and play the pass... and chance the fact that Tua is not going to tuck the ball in and run with his constant injury history

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Too bad we dont have any threat at running back... they will just gamble and play the pass... and chance the fact that Tua is not going to tuck the ball in and run with his constant injury history

That’s why I wanted Najee Harris! That kid is going to be a beast in Pittsburgh

The RPO scheme should be the foundation for this Qb..imo

"djphinfan wrote:

The RPO scheme should be the foundation for this Qb..imo

If it fits his skills set, then yes. If it doesn’t…

Most of you are too young to remember but Lou Holtz was once the head coach of the Jets. He had Broadway Joe Namath, Super Bowl winner as his quarterback. It was HILARIOUS watching Namath try to run the option

Point being…set your offensive scheme to the strengths of your players