Coach Flores issues his statement concerning the George Floyd situation

Stand behind him on all of those words he said.

Great man.

3rd degree murder charge...

What’s the sentence for that?

"djphinfan wrote:

3rd degree murder charge...

What’s the sentence for that?

25 years in Minnesota

"Vertical Limit wrote:

25 years in Minnesota

Maybe he does 12-15.... not enough imo

"djphinfan wrote:

Dolphins coach Brian Flores has become the first NFL coach to issue a statement on the murder of George Floyd. And it is a powerful one.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/29/brian-flores-people-with-loud-opinions-on-colin-kaepernick-are-silent-on-george-floyd/

“I’ve had the privilege of being a part of many different circles that have included some very powerful and influential people of all different races and genders,” Flores said. “The events of the last few weeks have brought some of the memories of those conversations back to light. I vividly remember the Colin Kaepernick conversations. ‘Don’t ever disrespect the flag’ was the phrase that I heard over and over again. This idea that players were kneeling in support of social justice was something some people couldn’t wrap their head around. The outrage that I saw in the media and the anger I felt in some of my own private conversations caused me to sever a few long-standing friendships.

“Most recently, I’ve had conversations about incentivizing teams for hiring minorities. Again, there was some outrage in the media and talks that this would cause division amongst coaches, executives and ownership. I bring these situations up because I haven’t seen the same OUTRAGE from people of influence when the conversation turns to Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor and most recently George Floyd. Many people who broadcast their opinions on kneeling or on the hiring of minorities don’t seem to have an opinion on the recent murders of these young black men and women. I think many of them QUIETLY say that watching George Floyd plead for help is one of the more horrible things they have seen, but it’s said amongst themselves where no one can hear. Broadcasting THAT opinion clearly is not important enough.

“I lead a group of young men who have the potential to make a real impact in this world. My message to them and anyone else who wants to listen is that honesty, transparency, and empathy go a long way in bringing people together and making change. I hope that the tragedies of the last few weeks will open our hearts and minds to a better way of communicating and hopefully create that change.” End quote

“Change definitely is needed. The decision of the coach of an NFL team to issue such a strong and heartfelt statement underscores that the time has come for reform, for better training, for more prudent use of lethal force by law enforcement.

“If the murder of George Floyd doesn’t spark that change, what will? Here’s hoping that influential voices in the NFL and other aspects of society continue to call for change, ignoring the stick-to-sportsters who presumably (and inexplicably) prefer the status quo.”

I am very proud of our head coach, I knew this man was special but man, lead the way sir..We are very lucky to be able to call him our coach.

Great statement by Flores. He is 100% right in everything he said.

How can you not love coach Flo?

I can never understand the excessive force thing. If the situation is under control, why beat the hell out of someone?

If I played for coach Flores, i'd run through a brick wall if he asked me to. He's a special person for the organization and i'm loving the culture we are building.

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

I can never understand the excessive force thing. If the situation is under control, why beat the hell out of someone?

De-sensitized...improper training..lack of training to sensitize a cop to a human being..ingrained racism...

"djphinfan wrote:

De-sensitized...improper training..lack of training to sensitize a cop to a human being..ingrained racism...

the average score, nationally, for officers on the police IQ test is 21-22... which equates to just above average intelligence on a normal IQ test. There are police departments that are known to only interview candidates who score from 22-27 on the police intelligence test. So another big problem with police nationwide is that they aren’t really very intelligent. It’s not like the best of us are putting on the uniform.

"resnor wrote:

the average score, nationally, for officers on the police IQ test is 21-22... which equates to just above average intelligence on a normal IQ test. There are police departments that are known to only interview candidates who score from 22-27 on the police intelligence test. So another big problem with police nationwide is that they aren’t really very intelligent. It’s not like the best of us are putting on the uniform.

Until they pay more salary per year that’s not gonna change

"resnor wrote:

the average score, nationally, for officers on the police IQ test is 21-22... which equates to just above average intelligence on a normal IQ test. There are police departments that are known to only interview candidates who score from 22-27 on the police intelligence test. So another big problem with police nationwide is that they aren’t really very intelligent. It’s not like the best of us are putting on the uniform.

Establishing a 21 minimum score requirement might be a good Idea, but still I don't think that is the main issue. Racism is not specifcally IQ dependent. There are lots of smart people who are racist and bigoted.

I think the real problems are training methods and a lack of discipline within police departments to weed out the racist and violent behavior. Nobody is policing the police. The officers involved here had multiple incidents on their record with no disciplinary action taken. When officers get away with shit so many times they start to think they are untouchable.

I am saddened by the things happening in this country. This year has been a setback to our nation. With the pandemic, and the various examples of racist terrorism we have seen the past couple weeks.. and now to see the country basically go in a civil war. We have a president tweeting blatant racist remarks. This has been a terrible start to a new decade, and hopefully we improve rather than keep going backwards.

I cant find any way to place blame at the people causing the riots.. they’re angry, and they’re sending a message. When they protest peacefully, there is another side of the country that tells them they’re wrong for doing so, and now they’re telling them the same thing again. Trying to control the way they’re suppose to express themselves all the time, they’ve had enough and this is the lashing out.

"hitman8 wrote:

Establishing a 21 minimum score requirement might be a good Idea, but still I don't think that is the main issue. Racism is not specifcally IQ dependent. There are lots of smart people who are racist and bigoted.

I think the real problems are training methods and a lack of discipline within police departments to weed out the racist and violent behavior. Nobody is policing the police. The officers involved here had multiple incidents on their record with no disciplinary action taken. When officers get away with **** so many times they start to think they are untouchable.

Given that racism is often linked to lower IQ, then the two problems are inherently linked. That is not to say that all racists are low IQ, because there are intelligent people who are racist. But if you are constantly employing people who are more likely to be racist, and because they have average IQ, you are also likely to be employing people who have less capacity for more advanced critical thinking, it's a recipe for abuse of power.

I'm also starting to sound like a liberal, but I'm also convinced that the vast majority of officers don't need to carry a gun on their hip. I think that the uniform should be more casual, think polos and khakis, and they can carry a taser and pepper spray. I think that alone would go a long way in changing how officers interact with citizens, which would go a long way in building better relationships between officers and the citizens that they are supposed to be serving. Certainly officers could have a gun in the car, that could be used if it's actually necessary, but I would have a significant and open review process for all incidences where an officer took that gun out of the car.

I'm sorry if I steer this in the political direction, but I'm very concerned about the police Using lethal force so often against all the citizens of this country.

"resnor wrote:

Given that racism is often linked to lower IQ, then the two problems are inherently linked. That is not to say that all racists are low IQ, because there are intelligent people who are racist. But if you are constantly employing people who are more likely to be racist, and because they have average IQ, you are also likely to be employing people who have less capacity for more advanced critical thinking, it's a recipe for abuse of power.

I'm also starting to sound like a liberal, but I'm also convinced that the vast majority of officers don't need to carry a gun on their hip. I think that the uniform should be more casual, think polos and khakis, and they can carry a taser and pepper spray. I think that alone would go a long way in changing how officers interact with citizens, which would go a long way in building better relationships between officers and the citizens that they are supposed to be serving. Certainly officers could have a gun in the car, that could be used if it's actually necessary, but I would have a significant and open review process for all incidences where an officer took that gun out of the car.

I'm sorry if I steer this in the political direction, but I'm very concerned about the police Using lethal force so often against all the citizens of this country.

Honestly race shouldn’t be political. It’s about treating everyone like human beings, no matter the race. I dont have a political side, right or left red or blue. There are bad and good ideas on both sides, you go too left the country goes bankrupt, too right and it goes bankrupt again. I’ve always stared at it straight down the middle and pick apart whats good and bad.

so now let’s be real here and point out whats blatantly bad. We have a president that has given racists a platform since the beginning of his campaign. He’s hesitated to denounce KKK endorsements before, started the birther movement which was clear racism. And now he incited the black race by calling them thugs and threatened that there will be shooting if theres looting. This all falls on him. I actually never seen a President have a worst fourth year on their presidential run.

That's my coach! Hell of a man, that's what you call leadership. I see the kneeling slightly differently, but I'm onboard 100% with everything else he said...props Coach!

And oh by the way, Vertical, in 2015 Obama called rioters thugs as well...he a racist too? Or is it OK 'cuz he's black? Racism happens in all directions. I don't believe either one of them are racist by stating obvious facts.

Heres my statement. Rubber bullets. If that dont work start mass arrests

They are trying to take away the right to protest and the right to a free press. Stop calling this a free country then.

Man I was on pins and needles waiting for a football coach to give his statement. Whew!

Same city, 2017 white female yoga instructor killed by black cop after she called to report a crime. Paid leave, 8 month investigation, 12 years in jail. No statements from coaches, Kapersuck etc...

RIP Justine Damond and George Floyd.

#alllivesmatter

"resnor wrote:

I'm also starting to sound like a liberal, but I'm also convinced that the vast majority of officers don't need to carry a gun on their hip. I think that the uniform should be more casual, think polos and khakis, and they can carry a taser and pepper spray. I think that alone would go a long way in changing how officers interact with citizens, which would go a long way in building better relationships between officers and the citizens that they are supposed to be serving. Certainly officers could have a gun in the car, that could be used if it's actually necessary, but I would have a significant and open review process for all incidences where an officer took that gun out of the car.

I'm sorry if I steer this in the political direction, but I'm very concerned about the police Using lethal force so often against all the citizens of this country.

I do think there's a problem when the Police start to look like the Army. We use the Army against our enemies, so what message does it send out to the general populace when they're confronted with a Police Force that looks very similar?

"OkiePhin wrote:

Man I was on pins and needles waiting for a football coach to give his statement. Whew!

Same city, 2017 white female yoga instructor killed by black cop after she called to report a crime. Paid leave, 8 month investigation, 12 years in jail. No statements from coaches, Kapersuck etc...

RIP Justine Damond and George Floyd.

#alllivesmatter

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I'd have been upset by that also, if it had made the mainstream.

There is a problem with the use of lethal force by police officers, against all Americans.

"Vinny Fins wrote:

They are trying to take away the right to protest and the right to a free press. Stop calling this a free country then.

I see more white kids in their twenties doing the rioting than I have black folks...it's a group of people who have a plethora of issues that are taking away from the purpose. These are Antifa members, and they for the most part are mentaly unstable kids.

It's been clearly established that political threads aren't appropriate.

I honestly wish we could have these discussions here but the evidence is in and we can't, at least not without it getting very toxic.

Flores being the Dolphins coach and this being tied to the identity of the Dolphins here's what we'll do. The thread will stand as is but it will be locked for further discussion.

If deemed appropriate it might get pinned for a short while so that people can see it.