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Chris Clemons not practicing again. Did the position battle settle itself?

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  1. TiP54

    TiP54 Bad Reputation

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    From what I understand, this is at least his second consecutive missed practice, and the we are on a game week, ladies and gentlemen. You don't practice, you don't play. Does that mean that Jones will be starting in a week? Interesting.
    Discuss.
     
  2. andres2882

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    Does not bode well for him starting this week I'd think. As for the rest of the season, I doubt that'll be settled for a long while.
     
  3. jw3102

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    As you stated, if you don't practice, you don't play. If Clemons isn't able to practice, it seems obvious that Jones should get the start this week. Since he will be defending against one of the top two QB's in the NFL, this game should certainly help determine if Jones has what it takes to be a starting safety in the NFL. If he has a good game and is able to hold up against Brady, this will probably elevate him to the starting position when Clemons returns from whatever injury he has now. I personally like the fact that Clemons doesn't make mental mistakes and he is faster than Jones. Jones on the other hand tends to make more plays on the ball.
    If Jones starts, it is up to him to convince the coaches that he is the better long term answer at safety. If he suffers mental errors and Brady is able to exploit Jones for big plays. I suspect Clemons will be starting once again when he returns to full health. It appears that with Clemons injury, Jones has his big opportunity. It is up to him to make the most of this opportunity.
     
  4. rdhstlr23

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    It's only Tuesday. If Clemons is the starter, then he can get back to practicing by tomorrow and be fine. Hell, I think there is precedent for him to be practicing full by Thursday and be fine to play the game.
     
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  5. Ozzy

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    If he is still hurt after the Pats game I wonder if they put him on the pup list and bring back Allen since that makes it where Allens game checks will be week to week
     
  6. djphinfan

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    The most impressive thing I got from Jones and the preseason was a burst odf speed that I did not know was there, and a very nice and nasty disposition...I'am a clemons fan, but this kid intrigues me..

    Does anyone know what clemons injury is.?
     
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  7. NaboCane

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    Jones doesn't present a favorable matchup with NE's talent and experience.
     
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  8. Stitches

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    Not possible, the PUP doesn't work that way.
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    imo, Chris Clemons has become a vastly underrated football player by his own fans..
     
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  10. Ozzy

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    Then they should consider putting him on the cut his (_)_) list if he cant play
     
  11. finsincebirth

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    Wouldn't the IR just make more sense?
     
  12. Conuficus

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    Only if you plan on having him available for next year. IR means you're season is over.
     
  13. finsincebirth

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    Yea I know. But as opposed to Ozzy's impossible PUP scenario or just cutting him, I don't know why you don't just put him on the IR if he is going to miss extended time.
     
  14. Desides

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    There's nothing underrated about him. When was the last time he made a play on the ball? He's usually out of position, and his speed allows him to recover quickly enough to make it appear as if he's doing something right.

    If he's so underrated, why is there a safety battle in the first place?
     
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  15. Larryfinfan

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    C'mon, Clemons has missed a couple of practices and you guys want to castrate him too ?? Naturally we will not find out the injury or extent of said because of the super secret, spy network that would run and tell BB if they found out. If this is more of an injury than they are letting on, we'll know soon enough. Clemons hasn't made anyone forget Ed Reed as neither has Jones, so this is all much ado about nothing...

    Beings that S is our weakest link on the D though, this could hurt some if he's out for the game. Also remember we have a full week before we play...so there's still time...
     
  16. Ozzy

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    Well for some it might but my plan would be look to replace him.

    The one weakness of the defense? Safety and the 4th Cb might be right behind that...
     
  17. Ozzy

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    I dont want to castrate him. Replace him maybe but leave his webo's alone
     
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  18. Anonymous

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    That's not what I noticed. There's a reason we haven't given up many big plays last year. Clemons is usually in position and on top of that, is good in run support.

    Reshad Jones's is talented too, thus the reason for the competition. He's more of a ball hawk than Clemons.
     
  19. Desides

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    Er… were we watching the same defense? The one that rolled over for tight ends in general and the Patriots offense in specific?

    He's not usually in position, and whether or not he's good in run support isn't very important to me, especially since he plays free safety.
     
  20. Anonymous

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    Yeremiah Bell and Sean Smith were usually the ones covering the Tight Ends. Not sure what your watching, honestly.

    Your main issue with him is he doesn't grab 8 interceptions a year like Ed Reed. As of right now, we do not have a FS like that. We do have a solid FS that doesn't make mistakes, tackles well and is good in run support. That's fine in my book.
     
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  21. texanphinatic

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    Having a safety that makes plays is becoming an important part of the defense as offenses continue shifting heavily toward the pass. Not a coincidence that we are seeing guys like Sharper, Collins, Reed and Polamalu front and center in recent years during the playoffs and Super Bowl, and why a guy like Berry was a top pick last year. We can have one safety (Bell) be average and decently solid. We need the other to get his hands on the ball and make something happen.

    Clemons has shown 0 ability to make a play, either so far in the pros or in his college years.
     
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  22. Anonymous

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    I agree with that, but as of right now, we don't have that. We have to play with what we have. Chris Clemons is a solid safety. He won't be among the league leaders in turn overs, but he won't kill you on defense the way Gibril Wilson did, too.
     
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  23. rafael

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    For years having a play making S was not prioritized in the NFL. I remember Bill Walsh listed a play making S and a pass rusher as his most important defensive positions 20+ years ago, but few others did. Even now you often hear CB as the more important position, but I disagree. CBs are too easy to avoid or the offense. But a S can be anywhere. In fact, if you look at SB winning teams and see which positions they most often have pro bowlers at, you'll find QB, LT, WR and S at the top of the list. Pass rusher isn't listed as it's not a position and it's split between OLB and DE depending on the scheme.
     
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  24. Desides

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    Right, that's sort of the point I'm making about our safeties in general, not just Clemons in specific: they're not very good.

    "Doesn't make plays on the ball" isn't code for "doesn't rack up INTs." My main issue with him is that he's usually nowhere near the ball like a free safety should be until it's already in the receiver's hands. I actually don't want an Ed Reed type, I want an Eric Berry or a Quintin Mikell type.
     
  25. Anonymous

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    We added Burnett to help with the coverage of Tight ends this season. Clemons really has nothing to do with the Tight Ends. I believe Sean Smith and Yeremiah Bell are usually the ones handling them.

    I would like if Clemons forced some turnovers, too. However, just because he doesn't, doesn't mean he's not a solid FS and isn't underrated.

    Also, Mikell doesn't really rack up interceptions, either. His career high is 3. I think Clemons is capable of 3 interceptions.
     
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  26. Desides

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    Sean Smith handled them early in the season when he lost his starting corner job for whatever undisclosed reason. But more to the point, I didn't say that Clemons was responsible for tight ends; I said that ineffectiveness against tight ends in 2010—a point you have now conceded by agreeing that Kevin Burnett was signed to help cover tight ends—was a symptom of a defense that was not as good as you claimed it was earlier in the thread.

    I feel like there's some breakdown in communications here, because I'm not talking strictly about turnovers (read: interceptions). I'm talking about plays on the ball. This includes, but is not limited to, a. the ability to read and diagnose the play to correctly discern where the pass will be thrown, b. manipulating the quarterback to believe that an intended target is not covered, c. then interrupting the pass attempt. An INT would be nice in that scenario, but a pass breakup—a stat in which Mr. Mikell is rather prolific—more than suffices.

    Clemons doesn't do that. He just has the range and speed to get to the receiver after the pass has been completed. That's fine if all that's wanted from a safety is a reliable tackle to prevent YAC, but in that case one suffers from very low expectations.
     
  27. MrClean

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    You are joking, right?
     
  28. MrClean

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    Someone threatened castration? Must be Nazis then. I thought we had just Nihilists on the forum, wasn't aware of any Nazis.
     
  29. MrClean

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    Back when we had Dick Anderson and Jake Scott, heck I thought playmaking safeties were the norm. Being young then, little did I know...
     
  30. MrClean

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    No problem then. Those types just grow on trees.
     
  31. Ozzy

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    No I'm not! Not a huge Clemons fan...
     
  32. MrClean

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    I thought you were because of the pup comment, my mistake.
     
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  33. djphinfan

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    relative to what we've had at that position, I feel good about him back there on this defense, I think he has ascended as a football player, started very early in his career, and I've seen progression every year, I think his upside is still there has very good speed, and he likes to hit people, and, he's 25 years old..I made that statement because of how I hear him talked about on this site, quite simply, not a lot of respect..I was suprised about the competition, but to me, that means RJ can ball..

    The man has been a starter on a very good defense at a key position,, if RJ plays well, then I feel good about the two.
     
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  34. djphinfan

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    I wanna see if he's going to continue to ascend as a player, i'am thinking that he may have some trouble picking up the intracacies of the scheme, but the more familiar he becomes, the more he starts to see everything there is to see, the more those measurables will take over and get him closer to the ball..His play thus far combined with the athleticism, combined with how he plays the run, wanna see more from the youngster..
     
  35. Anonymous

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    And the ineffectiveness against Tight Ends has nothing to do with Clemons. That was Crowder and Bell. Now, we have Burnett to help deal with Tight Ends. Clemons, like I mentioned earlier, was solid last season.

    There wasn't any issue in communication. I know what you were intending. I just feel differently about it. His stats don't look good, but I feel he's a solid player.
     
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  36. Ozzy

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    He needs development to me so i would not have minded that so much.

    He has unique speed but thats it right now...
     

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