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Charleston and Secession 150 years later!

Discussion in 'History Forum' started by gafinfan, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member


    Our history isn't always pretty or good but it is ours and deserves the respect to be told truthfully. And in the case of TWONA to be told not from behind the curtain of one party was right and the other wrong. Which only divides the two parties further apart IMVHO but respectfully in the manner that our history deserves. It is well to remember we are all still Americans and truth be known should have been able to resolve this without blood shed IF we truly loved Freedom and Liberty and the oath to protect and defend the Constitution as many then, and now, claim imvho.
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  2. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    A few more thoughts on Secession, the use of the sword to quell a rebellous State and other thoughts from Madison, the Father of our Constitution. With a little Jefferson thrown in for good measure.

    Thoughts on Madison:




    Madison again on the folly of the Governments use of force.


    And on how citizens react when their civil rights are trampled on.

    As to the Bill of Rights he himself framed he said:

    While it is clear that both Madison and Jefferson understood the nature of a Free man and the desire within him to remain so and with it the possibility of a rebellious State what neither of them saw was a President so determined to force an issue to the point of drawing the sword to have his way thus losing control of all common sense and the real posibility of destroying the Constitution and the Union.

    Through out all of his and Jefferson's writings there is this conflict between a Union and revolution. With the uppermost thought being of a patient Federal government who would eventually bow to the will of the people on matters that were unpopular versus allowing things to fester to the point of no return thus leading to the drawing of the sword by the Government.

    Yet in their heart of hearts they must have known such a thing could happen because they themselves had been put to the test of the Sword and had answered that calling. How could they in good conscience expect less from those who came after them? Truth be told both Jefferson and Madison warned of the possibility of a war between the states.

    Jefferson's thoughts:


    And Jefferson on the rebellion going on in France, to Madison:

    And this:


    Clearly Jefferson believed in this political manuver because he used it in Kentucky thru emissaries.

    And last a clear Warning By President Buchanan in his final speach before Congress echoing Madison's denial to the Government in use of the sword as a remedy against a rebellious state:


    What is very clear to me is that force against a State is NEVER an option and that both men expected, nay demanded, that the two parties NEVER let the problem become so unmanagible to cause the sword to be used.
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  3. charlestonphan

    charlestonphan Junior Member

    Mar 22, 2008
    thanks for the links. i have been following the articles in the paper. it will take me awhile to digest the other links your posted. i am curious to see the direction the post and courier's series of articles takes. so far they have been relatively even handed, but one of the authors, Brian Hicks, is an intellectually lazy jerk, to say the least.
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