Charles Harris Scouting report.

"Nappy Roots wrote:

A scouting report on Harris. Guy I trust.

Well, then if you trust the unknown person, we should too, right? Interesting opinion. Some good points, but care to elaborate on the source of this opinion? This holds about as much weight as the guy in the youtube video for me at this point. It's not different to me than my opinion, or my neighbors, or my co-worker without a source/qualification. Not trying to give you a hard time, just curious on the source and it's credibility.

"Rock Sexton wrote:

After some further reading it would seeem Atlanta offered at least their First round pick, 3rd round pick, and 7th round.

I would have taken that and ran honestly, I don't hate the Harris pick but I would have taken that in a heartbeat.

"invid wrote:

Then go root for someone else.

This post is disgusting. We better not catch you ever criticizing the front office.

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"Nappy Roots wrote:

A scouting report on Harris. Guy I trust.

Who wrote this?

"hitman8 wrote:

Great assessment. My sentiments exactly. Another draft another letdown. Nothing has changed in Miami as far as talent evaluation is concerned. We changed the coach but we kept the same inept personell people from previous years.

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The problem here is you're acting as if your opinion is wrote, he hasn't taken a snap and you already have him as a "letdown", but lets face it, the only "letdown" so far is that they didn't draft the player you wanted.

I like Willis too, but there is a reason that nearly every expert had Harris ahead of him, Willis is a "stiff" player, his bullrush is going to dry up in the NFL, I think he'll be a decent player, but not much of a passrusher.

"Rock Sexton wrote:

After some further reading it would seeem Atlanta offered at least their First round pick, 3rd round pick, and 7th round.

Where did you read this?

This is a guy I trust.

Sources Tell Us
"Don't get caught up in his numbers this year. He just didn't mesh with what they asked him to do. He's also got to be coachable and I think he may have fought the changes a little too much. What I saw in 2015 is what I think he's going to be." NFC North regional scout

Bottom Line
High-cut pass rusher with good athleticism but concerns regarding his ability to drop anchor against the run. Ironically, Harris might be best suited as a penetrator which is something he fought against this season. His hands can be improved as pass rush weapons, but he has agility and footwork that can't be taught. Harris can play on the edge in a 4-3 or 3-4 front and should be the next in a line of early contributing defensive ends coming out of Missouri.

-Lance Zierlein

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/charles-harris?id=2558001

Also, I just went back and looked at the mocks by Rob Rang, Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah. They all had had Harris off the board before the 22 pick. Good enough for me.

"Finster wrote:

The problem here is you're acting as if your opinion is wrote, he hasn't taken a snap and you already have him as a "letdown", but lets face it, the only "letdown" so far is that they didn't draft the player you wanted.

I like Willis too, but there is a reason that nearly every expert had Harris ahead of him, Willis is a "stiff" player, his bullrush is going to dry up in the NFL, I think he'll be a decent player, but not much of a passrusher.

Willis is not "stiff". He is in fact the best athlete on the defensive line in this draft other than maybe Garret. That is provable with hard numbers nobody was even close to him at the combine. The bull rush is only one move in his extensive reportoire, he usually wins with speed and power to the outside shoulder. He also has a great spin move similiar to Harris. Also has great hand usage and swim and rip moves. Also has better production than Harris. On top of that he is ten times better than harris against the run and is a much more polished and better player overall.

Either way it's not about them not picking Willis. It's about them picking a very raw, flawed and risky player in the first round when we should be allergic to those type of players at this point given our previous experience with first round busts.

There were about a dozen other players I would have been perfectly happy with them picking other than harris.

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"finsfandan wrote:

This post is disgusting. We better not catch you ever criticizing the front office.

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If I do it won't be 1000 times across 100 threads about something that doesn't really bear itself out immediately after it happens (the draft). It also won't be after a culture shift and a season where we made the playoffs. I'm all for criticism, but not for excessive and doomy whining over something as abstract as the NFL draft.

"brandon27 wrote:

Well, then if you trust the unknown person, we should too, right? Interesting opinion. Some good points, but care to elaborate on the source of this opinion? This holds about as much weight as the guy in the youtube video for me at this point. It's not different to me than my opinion, or my neighbors, or my co-worker without a source/qualification. Not trying to give you a hard time, just curious on the source and it's credibility.

No you don't have to trust anything. Truthfully most people aren't going go one way or the other based on someone else's opinion because they have an opinion. So who ever scouting report goes with their agenda that's what their going to care about.

And that's fine. Guys that have worse scouting reports in round 5 end up as pro bowlers sometimes. So no one knows for certain.

My initial thoughts on Harris weren't positive. I read plenty of positive on him. However there is so much regurgitating rather than actual scouting.

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"danmarino wrote:

Where did you read this?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-draft-notes-20170427-story.html

Look at the title. But it seems the content has been deleted.

"hitman8 wrote:

Yes, we completely dropped the ball not trading down. With all of our different needs we need all the picks we can get and would have still been able to pick a great player with atlanta's first rounder.

Really hating the draft so far looks like another dissapointing draft as usual.

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If you are so convinced you are a great talent evaluater get off of a FAN FORUM and apply to be an NFL scout because clearly you are in the wrong line of work.

"jdang307 wrote:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-draft-notes-20170427-story.html

Look at the title. But it seems the content has been deleted.

The title reads nothing about Atlanta or anything like what Rock wrote...

Happy to see our beloved "realists" are still being very "real".

"danmarino wrote:

The title reads nothing about Atlanta or anything like what Rock wrote...

Read the whole article man. The reference to the trade offers is toward the end of the article.

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"hitman8 wrote:

Read the whole article man. The reference to the trade offers is toward the end of the article.

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Again, it reads nothing about Atlanta or what was offered to Miami. I saw that there were trade offers last night, however, I see nothing about Atlanta or what any specific team offered.

"danmarino wrote:

The title reads nothing about Atlanta or anything like what Rock wrote...

The reason why he mentioned Atlanta is because Atlanta was one of the teams looking to trade up and they in fact did trade up with Seattle for the 26th pick in exchange for Atlanta's first rounder plus a 3rd and a 7th rounder.

If seattle got a 3rd and 7th from Atlanta for their 26th you can be sure that Miami got offered at least that if not more for their 22nd pick.

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"hitman8 wrote:

The reason why he mentioned Atlanta is because Atlanta was one of the teams looking to trade up and they in fact did trade up with Seattle for the 26th pick in exchange for Atlanta's first rounder plus a 3rd and a 7th rounder.

If seattle got a 3rd and 7th from Atlanta for their 26th you can be sure that Miami got offered at least that if not more for their 22nd pick.

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No I can't be sure of that. We have no idea if Atlanta wanted to move up to 22 nor if they offered Miami anything.

"danmarino wrote:

No I can't be sure of that. We have no idea if Atlanta wanted to move up to 22 nor if they offered Miami anything.

We can take an educated guess that in fact they did.

Seattle knows whats up. They traded down again and out of the first round completely to stack up 10 total picks most of them in the second and third rounds. That's where the meat of this draft will be and that's how you conduct a great draft.

That's why seattle has been a much better team than us in recent years they actually know how to draft and evaluate talent.

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There is absolutely no guarantee that Atlanta had any interest in moving up until after Miami picked. Moving up is almost always predicated by the players other teams draft.

"hitman8 wrote:

We can take an educated guess that in fact they did.

Seattle knows whats up. They traded down again and out of the first round completely to stack up 10 total picks most of them in the second and third rounds. That's where the meat of this draft will be and that's how you conduct a great draft.

That's why seattle has been a much better team than us in recent years they actually know how to draft and evaluate talent.

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That doesn't make sense. If they thought they could get their guy with the #26 why would they want to move up to #22 and give up more?

I'd still like to see where Rock read that.

Well, if you are completely convinced Harris is going to be the next Wake-like DE for your team, I guess you have to turn down the trade offer(s). I hope they are right, an extra third rounder would have really helped this year.

"danmarino wrote:

That doesn't make sense. If they thought they could get their guy with the #26 why would they want to move up to #22 and give up more?

I'd still like to see where Rock read that.

It does make sense they had no way of being sure if their guy would make it to Seattle and probably offered the same compensation to the teams picking before Seattle. Its just that seattle was the one that took the deal.

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"hitman8 wrote:

It does make sense they had no way of being sure if their guy would make it to Seattle and probably offered the same compensation to the teams picking before Seattle. Its just that seattle was the one that took the deal.

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No it doesn't. Where do you think they started to look? #15? #13? #10? lol...There is no way to even know, unless something is leaked, if Atlanta offered Miami anything. For all we know Seattle was the only team they made an offer to...

"danmarino wrote:

No it doesn't. Where do you think they started to look? #15? #13? #10? lol...There is no way to even know, unless something is leaked, if Atlanta offered Miami anything. For all we know Seattle was the only team they made an offer to...

Probably after the 20th pick. Yes we have no way of actually knowing but it's a good possibility that's what happened or something similar.

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