Channing Crowder....

i think because he's a solid tackler.

sparano has even said that when crowder was out the coverage was noticable

 

The market was weak and he's a pretty good player.

 

can you name a better replacement that is feasible to get on this team this season?

 

ILB is our weakest position IMHO, however, Crowder has good size, athletic ability, physical skills, and he learned the game from the best: Zach Thomas. Channing learned to be a film study fanatic and how to read opposing offenses from Zach. But Channing has had to learn 3-4 different defensive schemes since he's been here. Now that he's had a year under Pasqualoni, and is the Mike LB, I expect to see more from him this season. THAT is why I think they signed him to a new 4 year contract. And Bill Parcells knows LB's, so I'll put my trust in him on this one.

 

Well, CC has to improve, that is what it is.

 

patrick willis has had 1 career interception 0 forced fumbles and 5 sacks in two years and 244 solo tackles.

crowder has 0 ints 1.5 sacks 0 fumbles and 266 solo tackles.

what's the big difference?

3.5 sacks 1 int and 59 draft picks. and crowder has 22 more individual tackles and is probably being paid a LOT less.

 

If you would rank our priorities at the draft filling a need at CB when we had little or no other options would definitely override our needs at MLB where we do have a option and a pretty decent one too in Crowder.

 

Clay Matthews had exactly ONE season in which he was productive and shot up from a seventh round draft choice to a first round draft choice. He's a pretty big risk, something this management avoids. Further, James Laurinaitis doesn't fit what this management looks for. They look for physicality and he's the exact opposite. Smart player, yes, but struggles to shed blocks, which is required for a 3-4 inside linebacker. And Rey Maualuga? A guy that has had to be baby sat by Brian Cushing and Keith Rivers in the past, a guy who is not shy from the camera whatsoever and a guy who has alcohol issues? Not to mention, he did get in a fight at a party as a freshman at USC. Also, a guy who struggles to stay disciplined, hits the wrong gaps, admitted that he struggles to take on blockers when asked about Penn State offensive linemen, over-pursues against the run and you want him here over Crowder?

You're comparing Channing Crowder to Zach Thomas? Few people match that production. Crowder isn't an elite player but he's pretty good. I think the spot next to him needs more upgrading to be honest.

 

Well your talking about three rookies that could very well not play up to standards that matches what Crowder has done Laurinaitis didn't really fit this defense, Matthews had only one good year and Maualuga had character concerns to go along with questionable instincts. The combination of Crowder and Vontae Davis is much better than Maualuga/Laurinaitis and Eric Green.

As for Patrick Willis, here is his stat line from last season:

141 TKLS, 1 sack, 1 INT, 10 PD, 1 FF, 1 FR

Channing Crowder's stat line:

113 TKLS, 6 PD, 1 FF, 1 FR

Not exactly head and shoulders above Crowder. Now I like Patrick Willis a lot and would of preferred him over Ginn. All I'm saying is Willis isn't head and shoulders above Crowder.

 

Man had I waited a few more minutes I wouldn't have had to type all of that lol. Yea agree with everything you said man. Plus you also have to look at the defenses Zach played in. Everything was funneled towards him. Plus the guys instincts and game preparation are second to none.

 

I think Cane was being sarcastic. Zach was not a FF, INT and sack machine.

 

The guy is a pretty good 3-4 ILB. He's not great by any means, but he can do a more than adequate job. Would it probably be preferable that we had a more dynamic every-down guy, and Crowder take over Ayodele's spot? Sure, but it's by no means some baffling situation that he was resigned and our starting ILB. You are totally barking up the wrong tree.

 

Crowder is solid.
He is what MLB should be, a tackler.
His PRIMARY job is to tackle the guy with the football, and he is pretty darn good at it.
Thats my main argument in Rey Rey vs Thomas. What position they played? MLB. Whats their primary job? Exactly. This guy isn't a show stopper but CHanning is a solid tackler, and he proved this offseason that he wants to stay in Miami. He wants to be here.

 

I wasn't real thrilled with retaining Crowder myself, however it's true that the alternatives were limited.

Personally I thought he was paid waaaay too much for his skill set and that if we were gonna pay him that much money, why didn't we just ante up a bit more and go after Bart Scott...

But as someone else said, the real weakness at LB is the guy next to him....

 

Ill propably thank your every post just because of your name dude.

 

^^^ homer ^^^ : )

Coach said a couple of pressers ago that we need Channing to take the next step, that we need for him to up his game. I think that after having a year to see what we have, that there will be a better utilization of the talent we do have, and some new things with the talent we acquired to fill holes discovered last year. As has been mentioned PPasq will be adding more blitzes and complex formations this year and that makes sense to me. Year two of using the scheme will allow new twists and turns, hopefully confusing blocking schemes. Much like our use of the wildcat dictates to the defense what they do, I think this year, some of our formations and blitzes will dictate to the offense in the same fashion. If we can get through the initial learning curve for our new db's, I think we will have fun watching our defense disrupt opposing offenses.

 

hmmm...i question every single person in here that posted ridiculous numbers about Crowder and Willis and then said their wasnt much of a difference. now if you meant numbers OK, but Willis IS head and shoulders above Crowder in terms of play on the field and impact.

also, i was under the 'if we can get him for a good deal resign Channing' bandwagon. i think we did decent on the deal, not to long either. so im happy with the resigning. we do need to upgrade the position though.

 

Rather have an ILB that always makes the solid play, than one who tries to do too much. Crowder does what he should. The scheme doesn't put him in position to do much other than shed blocks and make tackles.

How many 3-4 ILBs rack up INTs?

 

Like most of you, even if I don't initially agree with some of the players we sign or draft, I know and feel confident that for the most part they will benefit our team in one way or another just because of the fact that our FO picked them. How many franchises can really have blind faith in their FO?

As for our ILB, I think the upcoming draft was supposed to address LB's along with TE's and maybe RB's? Lets just see what those positions give us this year, and draft what we need next year.

 

Yeah, but people need to accept that not every single player on our roster is going to be elite... Every team has a weakness, personally I believe ours in the secondary, not the inside linebacker position.

 

numbers represent play on the field and i doubt that patrick willis is a more vocal leader on D than crowder.

crowder has an extension to his contract which i'm sure would cost a whole lot more for willis if/when he gets his extension. crowder got roughly 20m and willis is still playing on a 16m rookie contract (which he apparently is fine playing under http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/06/06/patrick-willis-in-no-rush-for-new-deal/). how much do you think willis will want when he gets an extension cuz i think it'll be way more than 20m and honestly his numbers aren't worth it to me.

i know numbers are not the only thing that should play into a football decision but crowder is a film nut as well. with all those tackles you know he is fully capable of watching film and knowing where to be to make the play. he hasn't really jumped out and done anything spectacular but i don't think willis has either. the contract willis will most likely ask for being a former first round pick will be insane for the numbers he has produced on the field IMO.

i still say the difference is 3.5 sacks 1 int and 59 picks in two more years. did i mention less solo tackles?

 

Defense fell off when Crowder was out last year.

Also, sounds like he may be improving as a pass rusher. Some of the things I saw this weekend....he may get a few more sacks. Pasqualoni will definitely be blitzing more this year.

 

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I think if Crowder could get to the QB when the MLB is called to blitz (i know it won't be often) it would really create a nice new dynamic an opposing offense would have ot pay attention to.

Perhaps get someone to come off their block early, make the qb think about pre snap.

I think your right Muck, Crowder will get some opportunities to get after the qb this year. I sure hope he takes advantage of it. It would seriously bolster our pass rush, from a dynamics standpoint.

 

You're comparing Channing Crowder to Zach Thomas? Few people match that production. Crowder isn't an elite player but he's pretty good. I think the spot next to him needs more upgrading to be honest.

There you go alen.
If Sparano says he's good enough then: "So let it be written-So let it be done"!

It'll be many years before we see another Zach, if ever.

 

the big difference is one has played 2 seasons and one has played 4 seasons so straight up how can you EVEN try to compare both players.Try to multiply Willis numbers by 2
then compare since he has only played half the seasons as Crowder.Willis first two seasons he had 141 and 174 tackles...show me where Crowder has those numbers!

Two very different talent levels my friend!!!

 

He has to step it up this year, personally I would have prefered it if Karlos Dansby hit the market, by all accounts Parcells likes him.

 

two different draft spots and paychecks as well.

for where crowder was drafted he's been doing fine IMO

 

if crowder was stronger in his core he would be better football player, he gets good position, but he also gets pushed around a little, strong running backs can win the head to head battle with him, and hes pretty stiff from the waist up, pretty decent in coverage {for the first few seconds, like he said} other then that, hes a pretty solid football player.

 

IMO CC is a good all around MLB. He's solid in coverage and solid against the run. What he lacks is play making ability. I think he can improve there but will probably never be consistently great.

As for Willis, I liked him in that draft and he was my second choice to Ginn, but MLB is one of those positions that routinely produce superstars with later picks. It happens with every position, including WR, but it happens most consistently with MLB. And the D we were running then under Cam wanted more of a plugger there than a play maker at MLB. So I'm happy with the choice of Ginn there and with CC getting a decent but not ridiculous new contract.

 

Channing Crowder is our starting MLB because he is a great tackles and a solid player.

You are not going to find MLB's like Zach Thomas. He is one in a million he was great. I would also have to agree with SICK who else is out there? Channing Crowder is a solid player and I think we will see some improvements in him this year

 

Sure he may be a solid tackler, but he's not a game changer. And I don't know the stats but he seems to have London Fletcher disease where he may make the tackle but the running back has already gotten an extra yard of penetration before he gets taken down.

 

Crowder's problem has never been anything physical, it seems to be his instincts.....

Around my house he's affectionately known as Channing "Wrong Gap" Crowder.

 

Look at our run defense against Kansas City with Crowder inactive... People need to realize our roster isn't going to be full of All-Pros... So Crowder is a good starter, but not in the best in the league... So what? We have other things to worry about than Channing Crowder.