Chad Johnson was Just on Mike and Mike....

"houtz wrote:

BINGO!

That and I was just responding to the kid before me that said Beck can't make throws on his back.

Your assessment tho is dead on Dolpns13.

I know... HA... thanks brotha :up:

"big0mar wrote:

so we shouldnt improve any area of our offense until we have a great o-line?

seems like of an odd way to go about things

Why do you think thats an odd way to go about things? Im not disagreeing 100% or agreeing 100%... We def need a good OL to give time to our QB but we also need talent on the field as well in other areas

"big0mar wrote:

so we shouldnt improve any area of our offense until we have a great o-line?

seems like of an odd way to go about things

My train of thought exactly.. Okay how about along with Johnson, we obtain Flozell the Hotel? Does that make the Johnson move a good one?

"big0mar wrote:

so we shouldnt improve any area of our offense until we have a great o-line?

seems like of an odd way to go about things

All I'm saying is our offensive line isn't our primary need right now. We were ranked 32nd against the run last season, dead last in the NFL. I believe we'll pick up C.Long/Gholston or Dorsey in the first. 2a. Maybe Fred Davis if he's there, otherwise I think Our first three picks are going defense. Which is exactly how I'd like it to go.

"dolpns13 wrote:

Why do you think thats an odd way to go about things? Im not disagreeing 100% or agreeing 100%... We def need a good OL to give time to our QB but we also need talent on the field as well in other areas

because i dont think you can say "we need to get a good o-line before we can think about getting good WRs"

you try to acquire talent. as much as you can. id rather have good WRs with a bad o-line, than bad WRs with a bad o-line.

shortsightedness and not looking at the big picture is what got this team into so much trouble. we had a great defense and a bad offense. so we stopped going after defensive players and started bringing in offensive players. you cant be surprised the D was bad last year. you always need to try to upgrade talent, regardless of position.

Him coming here sounds like a dumb idea. Cincy is closer to winning than we are, why would he want to come here unless its about money? I don't like players that are headcases when things get bad, he's not worth the trouble IMO.

"finfansince72 wrote:

Him coming here sounds like a dumb idea. Cincy is closer to winning than we are, why would he want to come here unless its about money? I don't like players that are headcases when things get bad, he's not worth the trouble IMO.

its not like he is a FA. he doesnt get to choose where he goes when he is traded. the only thing he controls is what his contract will be when renegotiated if miami wants to renegotiate it.

I would only take Ocho Cinco for one reason......Bill Parcells.

If Parcells hadn't been hired, I would not want Chad Johnson. You need to have a disciplinary management to have players who are ****y (ala Moss in New England with Bellicheck).

Someone who can keep him in line.

"big0mar wrote:

because i dont think you can say "we need to get a good o-line before we can think about getting good WRs"

you try to acquire talent. as much as you can. id rather have good WRs with a bad o-line, than bad WRs with a bad o-line.

shortsightedness and not looking at the big picture is what got this team into so much trouble. we had a great defense and a bad offense. so we stopped going after defensive players and started bringing in offensive players. you cant be surprised the D was bad last year. you always need to try to upgrade talent, regardless of position.

Well thats the point, in essense, we wouldnt have bad WR's with a bad OL in upgrading the OL, we would have bad WR with a good OL, which would improve QB play, which would improve WR play, or so the thought. Not saying that would happen but would you rather have good WR's with a bad OL, or bad WR's with a good OL? Maybe they both net themselves out and we still stink because the QB can either get the WR the ball, but because they are bad they drop the pass, or the WR's get open because they are good, but the QB cant get them the ball because he is getting sacked all game... The talent has to start somwhere, just finding out where is the tough part

People here think JT will fetch us a 2nd rounder or even a 1st and a lot of you guys think Johnson is only worth a 3rd? No way. The Bengals know we got a 2nd for Chambers, so why would they trade a much better receiver for less? Besides, some other team, like the 49ers, will definately give at least a 2nd rounder for him.

"dolpns13 wrote:

Well thats the point, in essense, we wouldnt have bad WR's with a bad OL in upgrading the OL, we would have bad WR with a good OL, which would improve QB play, which would improve WR play, or so the thought. Not saying that would happen but would you rather have good WR's with a bad OL, or bad WR's with a good OL? Maybe they both net themselves out and we still stink because the QB can either get the WR the ball, but because they are bad they drop the pass, or the WR's get open because they are good, but the QB cant get them the ball because he is getting sacked all game... The talent has to start somwhere, just finding out where is the tough part

I'm not sure why you think improving our WR precludes us from improving our O-Line

"SMOKE wrote:

People here think JT will fetch us a 2nd rounder or even a 1st and a lot of you guys think Johnson is only worth a 3rd? No way. The Bengals know we got a 2nd for Chambers, so why would they trade a much better receiver for less? Besides, some other team, like the 49ers, will definately give at least a 2nd rounder for him.

I agree, He led the AFC in recieving like 5 years in a row so because of that I think he is easily a 1st rounder. Is he worth that to us, I dont think so. Maybe, a late 2nd, but i wouldnt give up anything higher

don't we have 3 2nds? Of course Cinn. is going to target one of those.
I'm still not budging from a 3rd for him.

"sabanhater wrote:

don't we have 3 2nds? Of course Cinn. is going to target one of those.
I'm still not budging from a 3rd for him.

Nope, only 2 seconds. 2-1 (Which is actually the last of the first round) and whatever San Diego;s ends up being.

"SMOKE wrote:

People here think JT will fetch us a 2nd rounder or even a 1st and a lot of you guys think Johnson is only worth a 3rd? No way. The Bengals know we got a 2nd for Chambers, so why would they trade a much better receiver for less? Besides, some other team, like the 49ers, will definately give at least a 2nd rounder for him.

That has been my arguement. We got a second and seventh for Wes Welker...San Diego gave up a second for Chambers...I still dont think Johnson is going anywhere for less than a second rounder...and if I am the FA< there is ZERO chance of giving up any second round picks...

You know who i think Chad Johnson could go to? I think he could probably go to a team like the Eagles and make them a legit threat in the NFC for next year. Chad Johnson with Donavan Mcnabb to throw to him would be insane. He said he needed more weapons and Chad Johnson could be that weapon. He could also go to the Panthers and make them a pretty good team as well.

If Im Correct Hes From The Flordia Area

"sabanhater wrote:

don't we have 3 2nds? Of course Cinn. is going to target one of those.
I'm still not budging from a 3rd for him.

We have two (our and the Chargers). I understand your point of view though since we're rebuilding and have such high picks. I was speaking more to the people saying Chad was only worth a 3rd. He's definately worth more than that and if he's traded the Bengals will get more. It's just comical because a lot of the same people who think JT will get a 1st or 2nd are saying that Johnson is too old or not good enough to warrant more than a 3rd rounder. Ridiculous.

"big0mar wrote:

I'm not sure why you think improving our WR precludes us from improving our O-Line

I dont think that.. i was looking at both scenarios, im not saying one choice is better than another...In that reply

"phinfan0202 wrote:

You know who i think Chad Johnson could go to? I think he could probably go to a team like the Eagles and make them a legit threat in the NFC for next year. Chad Johnson with Donavan Mcnabb to throw to him would be insane. He said he needed more weapons and Chad Johnson could be that weapon. He could also go to the Panthers and make them a pretty good team as well.

I doubt he goes to Philly. They're still getting over the whole TO disaster. Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown have showed improvement as well. Johnson playing opposite Steve Smith would be sick. They may be willing to trade for him or they may be hopeful that Dwayne Jarrett will snag a starting spot next season.
I was thinking San Francisco. They need a good wide receiver in the worst way. Add in the fact that Martz is their new OC and it makes it seem like it could happen. They need quality wr's to run his offense. The snag is that they already gave their first rounder up in a trade. I don't know if they'd be willing to part with their 2nd, as well.

Why would he want to come here, we're worse than Cincinnati and have no QB.

"phenomenalphin wrote:

Why would he want to come here, we're worse than Cincinnati and have no QB.

Good point. Besides the fact that he'd have a chance to play in his hometown area, I can't think of any other reason.

"zach8111 wrote:

its not like he is a FA. he doesnt get to choose where he goes when he is traded. the only thing he controls is what his contract will be when renegotiated if miami wants to renegotiate it.

Well players have been known to block trades and why would we wanta guy that quits when his team doesn't make the playoffs? I lost a lot of respect for him this year and don't want him on this team.

"Mbs3009 wrote:

Good question - Is Beck ready to be berated when he over throughs the ball to Ocho?

It's one thing to call out Chad for something he's actually done, but it's another to lie and accuse him of something he didn't do. For all the attention he brings, he's never initiated anything on the field with a teammate, especially the QB. You're thinking of Terrell Owens.

:glare:

"phenomenalphin wrote:

Why would he want to come here, we're worse than Cincinnati and have no QB.

Go check the headlines from week 17.

Chad has openly stated that if on the market, he'd love to come home and play for Miami.

"SMOKE wrote:

I doubt he goes to Philly. They're still getting over the whole TO disaster. Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown have showed improvement as well. Johnson playing opposite Steve Smith would be sick. They may be willing to trade for him or they may be hopeful that Dwayne Jarrett will snag a starting spot next season.
I was thinking San Francisco. They need a good wide receiver in the worst way. Add in the fact that Martz is their new OC and it makes it seem like it could happen. They need quality wr's to run his offense. The snag is that they already gave their first rounder up in a trade. I don't know if they'd be willing to part with their 2nd, as well.

Wow... thats something I dont wanna have to play against. Dwayne Jarrett isnt too high on Smiths best friends list either