Chad Johnson for a 3rd pick

now your right on that my brotha

"alen1 wrote:

Newsflash........ Ireland wants to acquire a QB

Well after we jettison T. Green and C. Lemon we will have 2 open QB spots so he will indeed need to acquire some QBs.

The question is from a depth chart standpoint wil he acquire 2nd and 3rd string with Beck as #1, or will he go after a 1st stringer and leave Beck and other QB as 2nd and 3rd?

"SuperMarksBros. wrote:

Moss wanted only to be a patriot, he wouldn't renegotiate for any other team and this has been well documented.

Under those circumstances, the raiders were fortunate to get a #4.

I still think a 3rd is reasonable. Draft picks don't get thrown away so easily (other than by crap teams, i.e. us in the past). I don't think there would be many willing to give up more.

I think if we trade our First for the bengals First and Chad Johnson we would get him and we could get a QB like Woodson

"sabanhater wrote:

Chad Johnson is not Chad Johnson without Carson Palmer. Newsflash.... we don't have Palmer, we have a Lemon.

Ding Ding Ding, winner!

I know Chad loves Miami, but there will be other teams that will step up for his services IF it will only take a 3rd round...I guarantee you, someone will step up with a 2nd rounder.

The WR that the Dolphins SHOULD make a play for who won't cost a buttload of loot or draft picks is Jerry Porter out in Oakland. He would thrive under Parcell. He needs a new scene..Miami just might be it.

It's funny to read 'Norv was desperate' for a receiver. I dont think it was desperation but rather ADDING a threat in a stack team. And it wasn't Norv but rather AJ Smith.

The last thing to consider, Chad is not that young anymore, how patient will he be with a rebuilding team? I have no doubt that Bill will bring in a veteran QB, but as a free agent, chances are Chad sees - 1-15. Will he be patient enough?

"#1dolphinsfan wrote:

I think if we trade our First for the bengals First and Chad Johnson we would get him and we could get a QB like Woodson

i dont know about woodson. I like him but it seems like if he doesnt have the perfect qb pocket or if there is a pressure, he panics and makes dumb decisions.

"alen1 wrote:

i dont know about woodson. I like him but it seems like if he doesnt have the perfect qb pocket or if there is a pressure, he panics and makes dumb decisions.

those are all things he could work on

"#1dolphinsfan wrote:

I think if we trade our First for the bengals First and Chad Johnson we would get him and we could get a QB like Woodson

Great. Then we would have two rookie Quarterbacks on our team and would still need somebody to get them the ball..

IMO Woodson is not as good as Beck...

And my the time we are ready to really use him, he will be 34 years old. Draft a freaking rookie instead.

The Fins WILL not draft another QB in this years draft. I'll bet $5.00 with anyone. ;-)

Are we talking about Woodson out of Kentucy? Goodness, I hope not.

Woodson = BIG WASTE OF A DRAFT PICK.

"L.T.21 wrote:

The Fins WILL not draft another QB in this years draft. I'll bet $5.00 with anyone. ;-)

Are we talking about Woodson out of Kentucy? Goodness, I hope not.

Woodson = BIG WASTE OF A DRAFT PICK.

Yeah, see what we have sunken too......

"L.T.21 wrote:

The Fins WILL not draft another QB in this years draft. I'll bet $5.00 with anyone. ;-)

I don't make money bets on the internet, but I will state that I am pretty confident that you're wrong.

"L.T.21 wrote:

The Fins WILL not draft another QB in this years draft. I'll bet $5.00 with anyone. ;-) .

I'm in the draft camp that you draft a QB EACH year. You spend a 4-7 round pick on one if you have an established QB and a 1-3 if you don't. You then develop the QB to either 1) eventually take over when your established QB is hurt or cut or 2) have something to trade to a team that desperately needs one (i.e which is what the 'Fins have done over the years).

Back on point and my humble opinion ;) - Chad Johnson is a good WR. Carson Palmer didn't make him good, Chad made Carson look better. Chad still had relatively good games towards the end of this past year even though Carson stank the place up.

they probably will draft one in the later rounds

"L.T.21 wrote:

The Fins WILL not draft another QB in this years draft. I'll bet $5.00 with anyone. ;-)

Are we talking about Woodson out of Kentucy? Goodness, I hope not.

Woodson = BIG WASTE OF A DRAFT PICK.

the last person to bet 5.00 he it didnt work out for them to well the only reason we might is because John Beck was an old rookie

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I don't make money bets on the internet, but I will state that I am pretty confident that you're wrong.

The only way the Fins select a QB is if it's waaay down in the draft.

Selecting another QB would be a waste of a pick considering all the positions that need to be fixed.

1. You draft Beck. Give him time, he's not that bad.
2. Bill LOVES old free agent QB's. If Green retires, he'll make a play for someone. Hell, just look at what's happening up north in Cleveland. Depending on their asking price, Bill will make a play for Anderson.
3. So let me get this straight, you're willing to have 4 QB's in the roster?
- A veteran QB (TBD)
- Beck
- Lemon
- Draft

If anything, if not draft, Bill will look into waiver wire.

But another QB is taking a step back...address the issues on both lines first...and address the aging LB's. This thing needs a hard scrubbing with a heavy dose of 409. Bill is purging the organization.

"L.T.21 wrote:

The only way the Fins select a QB is if it's waaay down in the draft.

Selecting another QB would be a waste of a pick considering all the positions that need to be fixed.

1. You draft Beck. Give him time, he's not that bad.
2. Bill LOVES old free agent QB's. If Green retires, he'll make a play for someone. Hell, just look at what's happening up north in Cleveland. Depending on their asking price, Bill will make a play for Anderson.
3. So let me get this straight, you're willing to have 4 QB's in the roster?
- A veteran QB (TBD)
- Beck
- Lemon
- Draft

If anything, if not draft, Bill will look into waiver wire.

But another QB is taking a step back...address the issues on both lines first...and address the aging LB's. This thing needs a hard scrubbing with a heavy dose of 409. Bill is purging the organization.

Not 4, still 3. Lemon and Green will not be retained.

Beck and either 2 FA's, or Beck, 1 FA and 1 draft, and least likely is Beck with 2 draft QBs.

I'm all for getting younger, but if we can get a guy as good as Chad for a 3rd, I say we jump on it. There's no receiver in the entire draft that will be anywhere near Johnson's level of play for at least a few years.

Good grief --- that would make no sense to me.

The state and condition of the franchise -- you stockload your draft with offensive and defensive lineman. Not QB's.

UNLESS there's a QB out there thats flying under the radar. Which in MY opinion, there is NONE!

The upcoming draft IMHO, is VERY weak in the QB position, VERY weak.

Any rebuilding team NEEDS to focus on LINEMEN first....just take a look at AJ Smith and John Butler school of drafting..when rebuilding you use those 5th/6th/7th rounders on linemen. Weed them out -- just because there's a need for a QB does not mean you should gamble with them in the later rounds.

Just a thought, but just exactly WHO and WHICH QB's are worth taking in the later rounds that you think is worthy of being selected? Anyone?

"Stafford wrote:

I'm in the draft camp that you draft a QB EACH year. You spend a 4-7 round pick on one if you have an established QB and a 1-3 if you don't. You then develop the QB to either 1) eventually take over when your established QB is hurt or cut or 2) have something to trade to a team that desperately needs one (i.e which is what the 'Fins have done over the years).

Back on point and my humble opinion ;) - Chad Johnson is a good WR. Carson Palmer didn't make him good, Chad made Carson look better. Chad still had relatively good games towards the end of this past year even though Carson stank the place up.

you have a good point there, I believe Chad had success with Kitna also.

"SMOKE wrote:

I'm all for getting younger, but if we can get a guy as good as Chad for a 3rd, I say we jump on it. There's no receiver in the entire draft that will be anywhere near Johnson's level of play for at least a few years.

yea i agree

"BigDogsHunt wrote:

Not 4, still 3. Lemon and Green will not be retained.

Beck and either 2 FA's, or Beck, 1 FA and 1 draft, and least likely is Beck with 2 draft QBs.

I think Lemon stays (apologies I dont know his contract status) what is it?

It will be:

1. Free Agent QB
2. Beck
3. Lemon

"L.T.21 wrote:

Good grief --- that would make no sense to me.

The state and condition of the franchise -- you stockload your draft with offensive and defensive lineman. Not QB's.

UNLESS there's a QB out there thats flying under the radar. Which in MY opinion, there is NONE!

The upcoming draft IMHO, is VERY weak in the QB position, VERY weak.

Any rebuilding team NEEDS to focus on LINEMEN first....just take a look at AJ Smith and John Butler school of drafting..when rebuilding you use those 5th/6th/7th rounders on linemen. Weed them out -- just because there's a need for a QB does not mean you should gamble with them in the later rounds.

Just a thought, but just exactly WHO and WHICH QB's are worth taking in the later rounds that you think is worthy of being selected? Anyone?

if Flacco was a possible selection that late but hes going probably second.

"L.T.21 wrote:

The only way the Fins select a QB is if it's waaay down in the draft.

Selecting another QB would be a waste of a pick considering all the positions that need to be fixed.

1. You draft Beck. Give him time, he's not that bad.
2. Bill LOVES old free agent QB's. If Green retires, he'll make a play for someone. Hell, just look at what's happening up north in Cleveland. Depending on their asking price, Bill will make a play for Anderson.
3. So let me get this straight, you're willing to have 4 QB's in the roster?
- A veteran QB (TBD)
- Beck
- Lemon
- Draft

If anything, if not draft, Bill will look into waiver wire.

But another QB is taking a step back...address the issues on both lines first...and address the aging LB's. This thing needs a hard scrubbing with a heavy dose of 409. Bill is purging the organization.

Lemon is going to be a FA he is not going to be in miami After this year

I have a bad feeling Chad Pennington will be getting a look. I think Bill is the one who drafted him.