I wasn't sure where to post this because there are so many threads on Henne going around so forgive me if I'm cluttering the forum. I cut up the game against Cleveland and all of Henne's dropbacks are in the video as well as the two questionable run calls on 3rd and long. Forgive the couple hiccups early in the video, as this is my first time cutting up a video. 1st Half - [video=youtube;9HQ1PKNvfuY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQ1PKNvfuY[/video] 2nd Half - [video=youtube;zPMBdSkFkyc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPMBdSkFkyc[/video] Click on link. Doesn't imbed unless someone quotes the post ,for some odd reason. Mod Edit - Fixed. there are video button tags in the edit box you can click on to embed - maynard
Ugh, if you look at the int at 4:30 or so, you can see he threw into triple coverage, if he had looked on the other side of the route the Wr was wide open....
It was Fasano Padre and yes Henne had him open just to his right. I couldn't believe he didn't see him. He wasn't far from being right in front of him. He definitely locked in on that play. I even mentioned it in the game day thread. That is one of my knocks now. Before he was benched I thought he was going through his progressions much better. He definitely hurried the throw. On the first pick the ball just came out late and short. Not much effort on the pass at all and he did have Hartline for six if he hits him in stride. Both were bad on Chad's part for sure.
I'm not an "inside football" type of dude Killahp, my best guess is they had routes set up for Henne to have options on either side of the safeties, so if Henne looked left, the Safety breaks left but Henne then pivots (oh about 10 inches) and throws to the right now that the safety has been influenced away from the middle of the field. Which would mean Henne looked left, drew the safety over, and then threw the ball to the left without using his other option on the right side of the play..Fasano...imho that was a really simple read that henne blew the hell out of making.
Oh he definitely blew the read. Hell I could see Fasano open from my living room but Henne just didn't look his way. On that first pick he lollygagged that football out there. No sense of urgency or any strength put into the throw. I am not ready to throw Henne out of the way just yet but I'm not going to sit and ignore or make excuses for glaring mistakes. One real bad decision and two poor throws that you'd like to have back.
The first real disgusting thing of that replay that you're referencing that I see is how nobody on the defense at all bites on that lame excuse for playaction. The linemen are pass blocking all the way, the attempted hand off is disgustingly lazy by both Henne, and Brown. Then the next disgusting thing happens, and that is Henne throwing that ball to Bess, and not Fasano. Yikes. Thats just bad all the way around.
Man I hate to still be saying this at this point in the season because I really thought it would be corrected by now but Henne is still really slow in his drops and trying to compensate. That is the reason for the half *** ball fake IMO. In his mind it looks like he just feels like he is never going to have enough time to get in the pocket and set up. I'm sure it is a no brainer for me to say that but it has to be said. We all know Henne was an arm in college and that is about it. I would think by now someone would please help this QB with his foot speed and footwork in general. I know it is real tough to teach but nothing has changed. I'm pinning that on David Lee. Like I said I still support Henne but since this seems to so far be a civil discussion I feel comfortable pointing these things out without creating a firestorm.
that pick to hartline is worse than i remember. that was just awful. he doesnt step into the throw at all. he also looked very late on the throw to hartline in the end zone in the beginning
lack of athleticism does not just translate into a lack of escapability or mobility issues, it has other residual affects...speed of motion.....speed of motion is why Colt Mccoy will be successful in this league. henne has issues all the way around... Hitch/elongated delivery...slow footed..no escapability...no improvisational skills...flat release...lack of consistent touch...jittery in the pocket..confidence issues... The dudes a wreck right now..lol...I hope he pulls himself together in the final quarter of the season.. This week in new york will be an excellent tell on how the team feels about Chad..if they rally around him and play very very hard, it will tell me something about their confidence in him, if they play like sh$#, well..
Agree completely that the first two INT's were Unspeakably bad! Both a mis-read (should clearly go to Fasano not Bess) and bad throw on one and then just a horrific throw to Hartline. How frustrating can that be for a WR who puts a stellar move on the DB (Haden is burned) then the guy gets a pick? Aside from the terrible picks, I see several other problems: - Even on some completions, receivers are waiting after their break and are open. - There are still several "hitches" or "hesitancies" as he is about to throw - just the slightest, "Oh ... is he open ... yes ... throw" moment. - Then, I really didn't like the throw in the 2nd video, :38 mark. 3rd and 4, he has two receivers crossing and a MLB that will take one, then CB's waiting on the other. He is not looking at the MLB but at the receiver (Moore) to see if he's covered. Then, when he is covered, he throws to the other receiver - but it's too late and the pass is broken up. This is the kind of play that a top QB can make by watching the MLB, first step he takes - immediately go in the other direction. This is the kind of thing I have trouble with that though he does go through his progressions, they just aren't fast enough; he waits just a second too long and that is a big difference. - Not only was the throw to Hartline on the INT under thrown, but the throw that was broken up in the endzone was underthrown by a step. Watch Hartline: he's having to just slow up and to reach back behind him - the CB jumps and stretches to tip the ball away. That throw needs to be out in front of Hartline to give him a chance - perhaps a diving chance. Granted, that's a tough throw. Granted, not a lot of QB's will make that throw. And, granted, every QB will at times throw the ball short there. But, the good ones will throw the perfect pass. The point of all these criticisms and several others is that while any one of them on a given play can be considered nitpicky, when they are combined - they create a cumulative effect that leads to the very kinds of statistics he is putting up. There are simply too many throws that are off, that miss a receiver, or where he is slow on reads, or hesitates just slightly. He is nervous in the pocket. He's both not throwing at the right moment, nor throwing accurately. There are, of course, stupid calls by the OC. Nevertheless, that cannot excuse the problems; imho, Henne has dramatic changes to make. Maybe he will but will he? It's a crap shoot right now, imo.
I thought that on the throw to Hartline in the endzone, Hartline should have slowed up earlier, which would have put the ball out ahead of him. It wasn't a perfect throw by Henne, but a good receiver makes the proper adjustment to get that ball.
I don't think it's just teaching. I think it's about mental discipline. Henne is nervous so he doesn't ball fake very well. He's a QB, imo, without a lot of confidence. There are many times where he is set up and trying to read. But, he is mentally hesitating or makes a throw that lacks confidence. It's the reason he was benched. Right now, he is just not ready to be a starter in the NFL, period. Forget coaching - even if that's mediocre - he's not ready in terms of his psyche on the field. I don't know whether the well may be so poisoned in Miami (not from a fan perspective but just being there, in the organization, does he have the ability to ever feel confident again on this team?) that it won't work for him here.
yeah, hes not anticipating his throws at all, relies on his velocity..What drives me crazy is, when the play breaks down his head goes down looking to escape, almost like he is incapable of escaping and looking downfield at the same time...really not a good combination... will he be this QB that can execute all the plays from a isolated position in the pocket, can you design an offense to function like that consistently is what iam having a hard time conceptualizing.
