Cap set for 2024: 255.4m

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Vinny FinsVinny Finsforum_veteranOP
Feb 23, 2024, 02:01 PM

Huge break for the Dolphins (and others).
Peace be upon you, Taylor Swift

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The_Dark_KnightThe_Dark_Knightforum_veteran
Feb 23, 2024, 03:28 PM

“The person you will spend the most time with in your life is yourself, so you better make sure you’re someone interesting”

OwesOwn614OwesOwn614forum_veteran
Feb 23, 2024, 03:35 PM

This makes it easier to keep our core together. But it makes it much more difficult to add pieces via free agency.

The_Dark_KnightThe_Dark_Knightforum_veteran
Feb 23, 2024, 04:15 PM

"OwesOwn614 wrote:

This makes it easier to keep our core together. But it makes it much more difficult to add pieces via free agency.

Not really. Watch the video I posted, it’s about 11 minutes. With the cuts he outlines, we could be about $30 million under the cap, if not more.

“The person you will spend the most time with in your life is yourself, so you better make sure you’re someone interesting”

DAdanmarinosubscriber
Feb 23, 2024, 04:41 PM

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Not really. Watch the video I posted, it’s about 11 minutes. With the cuts he outlines, we could be about $30 million under the cap, if not more.

There’s actually a legit way, before signing Wilkins, CW, or AVG, that the Dolphins could be around $80m under the cap. Of course signing those three would lower that number, but there’s plenty to keep them, sign FA’s, and pay the rookies.

texanphinatictexanphinaticforum_veteran
Feb 23, 2024, 08:12 PM

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Not really. Watch the video I posted, it’s about 11 minutes. With the cuts he outlines, we could be about $30 million under the cap, if not more.

I think he means it will give other teams a leg up to retain guys they want to retain. AKA, less free agent supply. The Chiefs, for instance, were going to have a very hard time retaining both Snead and Jones. Now they have a shot. We might have money, but not much to spend it on.

I will be interested to see if maybe this gets teams to be more open to trading though. Maybe some pricey non-free agents get dealt.

"Vinny Fins wrote:

Huge break for the Dolphins (and others).
Peace be upon you, Taylor Swift

I've seen people talk about the Swift effect as well as increasing in streaming ... but the real answer here is gambling. Have fun guys, but be careful.

OwesOwn614OwesOwn614forum_veteran
Feb 23, 2024, 09:14 PM

"texanphinatic wrote:

I think he means it will give other teams a leg up to retain guys they want to retain. AKA, less free agent supply. The Chiefs, for instance, were going to have a very hard time retaining both Snead and Jones. Now they have a shot. We might have money, but not much to spend it on.

I will be interested to see if maybe this gets teams to be more open to trading though. Maybe some pricey non-free agents get dealt.

I've seen people talk about the Swift effect as well as increasing in streaming ... but the real answer here is gambling. Have fun guys, but be careful.

Absolutely. The market price for players will go up thanks to more interest.

OwesOwn614OwesOwn614forum_veteran
Feb 24, 2024, 12:39 PM
DAdanmarinosubscriber
Feb 24, 2024, 01:02 PM
"OwesOwn614 wrote:

Impossible! We can’t sign players. We are too far over the cap. We will field 11 players and
they will have to play both ways.

Or so I’ve heard from some here. Lol

DPhinz_DphinzDPhinz_Dphinzforum_veteran
Feb 25, 2024, 04:25 AM

I need some clarity on how we are getting $80 million in cap space. I know what 5RS says, but it's not so clear right now.

Hey, if the Saints can do it every year then so can we...I don't see it.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/miami-dolphins/

DAdanmarinosubscriber
Feb 25, 2024, 08:41 AM

"DPhinz_Dphinz wrote:

I need some clarity on how we are getting $80 million in cap space. I know what 5RS says, but it's not so clear right now.

Hey, if the Saints can do it every year then so can we...I don't see it.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/miami-dolphins/

It’s simple math.

Restructuring Chubb, Tyreek, and Ramsey could save ~$50m. Extending Tua could save ~$18m. Cutting Ogbah, X, and Baker could save ~$23m. That alone, without the cap increase, puts the Dolphins around $40m in the black. The cap increase is $30m. That’s around $70m in the black. There are many other options to get even more cap space.

This has been explained here multiple times and it’s all over the internet with a simple Google search.

DPhinz_DphinzDPhinz_Dphinzforum_veteran
Feb 25, 2024, 11:57 AM

"danmarino wrote:

It’s simple math.

Restructuring Chubb, Tyreek, and Ramsey could save ~$50m. Extending Tua could save ~$18m. Cutting Ogbah, X, and Baker could save ~$23m. That alone, without the cap increase, puts the Dolphins around $40m in the black. The cap increase is $30m. That’s around $70m in the black. There are many other options to get even more cap space.

This has been explained here multiple times and it’s all over the internet with a simple Google search.

I restructured everyone and their cousin...released Baker and X (pre 6/1), and came up with $34 million in the black.

This is not including that the roster went down to 42 as opposed to 53...let's say 48 because the 6 draft picks ($7.2 million - $27 million) should be factored into that.

My math must be off. Can you show me what you are talking about? I don't want to do a Google search. I'd like to you take the Spotrac app and walk me through it like I was 5.

DAdanmarinosubscriber
Feb 25, 2024, 01:11 PM

"DPhinz_Dphinz wrote:

I restructured everyone and their cousin...released Baker and X (pre 6/1), and came up with $34 million in the black.

This is not including that the roster went down to 42 as opposed to 53...let's say 48 because the 6 draft picks ($7.2 million - $27 million) should be factored into that.

My math must be off. Can you show me what you are talking about? I don't want to do a Google search. I'd like to you take the Spotrac app and walk me through it like I was 5.

Want in one hand and crap in the other…

I’ll do you a little solid and explain a few things for you. That nearly $80m is before any resigning of current players (Like Wilkins and AVG, for example) or signing rookies. However, $80m will be enough to do that if the Dolphins want to pay guys like Wilkins and AVG.

And, either your math is off or you don’t know how to restructure an NFL contract. It also seems you’re not factoring in the fact that the cap went up $30m.

Not to mention there’s an extra $75m that can go towards performance based pay.

Dol-Fan DupreeDol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran
Feb 25, 2024, 06:35 PM

"DPhinz_Dphinz wrote:

I restructured everyone and their cousin...released Baker and X (pre 6/1), and came up with $34 million in the black.

This is not including that the roster went down to 42 as opposed to 53...let's say 48 because the 6 draft picks ($7.2 million - $27 million) should be factored into that.

My math must be off. Can you show me what you are talking about? I don't want to do a Google search. I'd like to you take the Spotrac app and walk me through it like I was 5.

Sportrac app isn't good enough. You could do it at Overthecap.

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The_Dark_KnightThe_Dark_Knightforum_veteran
Feb 26, 2024, 06:51 AM

"DPhinz_Dphinz wrote:

I restructured everyone and their cousin...released Baker and X (pre 6/1), and came up with $34 million in the black.

This is not including that the roster went down to 42 as opposed to 53...let's say 48 because the 6 draft picks ($7.2 million - $27 million) should be factored into that.

My math must be off. Can you show me what you are talking about? I don't want to do a Google search. I'd like to you take the Spotrac app and walk me through it like I was 5.

When it comes to contracts, and restructuring them, there are way too many variables for the layman like you and me to be able to take into account.

How long is the contract for?
How much total is it for?
How much of it is guaranteed?
How much of it is a signing bonus?
How much is paid each year?
Are there any incentives?

And these are just variables that immediately come to mind. I’m quite certain there are many others.

We’ve released Ogbah and Howard will be a post June 1st cut. In total between the 2 of them, that’s a $30 million savings instantly.

Expect Baker to get cut. $13 million
Expect Mike White to get cut. $3 1/2 million
Expect Chubb and Ramsey’s contracts to be restructured.
Expect Tua to be signed to a long term deal.

There’s many ways to manipulate the cap to free up money to keep and sign players we want. The sky is far from falling.

“The person you will spend the most time with in your life is yourself, so you better make sure you’re someone interesting”

StaleTacosStaleTacosforum_veteran
Mar 3, 2024, 01:33 PM

Something something cap isn't real. Can manipulate everything. Yadda yadda.

If he fails to get a deal done with Tua I'm joining the call for "Grier has to go". -cbrad

DAdanmarinosubscriber
Mar 3, 2024, 03:29 PM

Trolls will try to post only negative “sources” in order to rile people up. For every “source” that says Wilkins is a goner there is one saying he’s going to be a Dolphins next year. So why only post the negatives?

“Even though the Dolphins are still an estimated $28.5 million over the 2024 salary cap, Grier said the team has the necessary resources to either sign Wilkins to a long-term deal (at perhaps $20+ million per year) or use the franchise tag on him ($22.1 million in 2024 base salary).

Wilkins has repeatedly said that he wants to remain a Dolphin, and it was telling that he participated in last week’s cycling challenge for cancer research even though his contract was set to expire.

“We had had conversations, and we were close on a deal last offseason, and it didn’t come together,” Grier said.”

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/miami-dolphins-christian-wilkins-contract-update-feb-28-2024/

StaleTacosStaleTacosforum_veteran
Mar 3, 2024, 05:14 PM

"danmarino wrote:

Trolls will try to post only negative “sources” in order to rile people up. For every “source” that says Wilkins is a goner there is one saying he’s going to be a Dolphins next year. So why only post the negatives?

“Even though the Dolphins are still an estimated $28.5 million over the 2024 salary cap, Grier said the team has the necessary resources to either sign Wilkins to a long-term deal (at perhaps $20+ million per year) or use the franchise tag on him ($22.1 million in 2024 base salary).

Wilkins has repeatedly said that he wants to remain a Dolphin, and it was telling that he participated in last week’s cycling challenge for cancer research even though his contract was set to expire.

“We had had conversations, and we were close on a deal last offseason, and it didn’t come together,” Grier said.”

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/miami-dolphins-christian-wilkins-contract-update-feb-28-2024/

LOL @ negative sources. It's the biggest insider in the sport and literally everyone is saying it.

You just did the equivalent of posting a week old article about how the Titanic is a strong ship the day after it sunk.

Here's is Beasley's current article:

"ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano reported the following Sunday:

“Several league sources expect #Dolphins’ Christian Wilkins to avoid franchise tag. Miami source says keeping options open, but teams bracing for star DT to hit free agency. ”

They also suggested that the Houston Texans and Cleveland Browns would be among the teams in the mix for Wilkins’ services if he avoids the tag and is allowed to hit the market.

The Dolphins have until Tuesday to decide whether they want to tag Wilkins. After that, they have his exclusive negotiating rights for another five days before the legal tampering window opens.

If not tagged or re-signed, Wilkins would be free to sign with whomever he wants at 4 p.m. on March 13, when the league year turns over. Spotrac estimates his market value for a long-term deal is $20.2 million annually."

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/is-this-christian-wilkins-last-week-with-miami-dolphins/

This isn't fantasy football. Your take on the cap is cute, but bad cap situations result in loss of talent and difficult decisions in the real world. Looks like Wilkins might be a casualty because there's absolutely zero good football reason not to at least franchise or transition tag him.

If he fails to get a deal done with Tua I'm joining the call for "Grier has to go". -cbrad

FIFishheadforum_veteran
Mar 3, 2024, 06:40 PM

Looks like the tag may not be in play:

The_Dark_KnightThe_Dark_Knightforum_veteran
Mar 4, 2024, 06:54 AM
"StaleTacos wrote:

Something something cap isn't real. Can manipulate everything. Yadda yadda.

When you or anyone else starts a post like this, you’re not looking to post information and have a discussion, you’re looking to pick a fight. I’d appreciate it if you and the others that do would just knock it off.

Wilkins is going to garner a big payday. There’s no doubt about that. He’s a beast on the DL and has proven he’s one of the best in the league.

I like so many others hope the Dolphins retain him. We CAN do it. It is financially and reasonably possible. Although the Dolphins are in the 2nd worst cap situation, we’re also in the best situation when it comes to contract restructuring. Some of this is going to come down to Wilkins’ teammates as well as Christian himself.

If we do lose Wilkins however, I certainly hope Grier is able to make a worthwhile trade out of it. I can truly see Wilkins being worth a 1st and at least a 3rd round pick if we decide to tag and trade him.

“The person you will spend the most time with in your life is yourself, so you better make sure you’re someone interesting”

PUpumpdogsforum_veteran
Mar 4, 2024, 07:27 AM

Not sure how we let him walk.We only have Seiler left.

The_Dark_KnightThe_Dark_Knightforum_veteran
Mar 4, 2024, 07:55 AM

Good take on Wilkins about midway through the video.

“The person you will spend the most time with in your life is yourself, so you better make sure you’re someone interesting”

DAdanmarinosubscriber
Mar 4, 2024, 08:41 AM

"StaleTacos wrote:

LOL @ negative sources. It's the biggest insider in the sport and literally everyone is saying it.

You just did the equivalent of posting a week old article about how the Titanic is a strong ship the day after it sunk.

Here's is Beasley's current article:

"ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano reported the following Sunday:

“Several league sources expect #Dolphins’ Christian Wilkins to avoid franchise tag. Miami source says keeping options open, but teams bracing for star DT to hit free agency. ”

They also suggested that the Houston Texans and Cleveland Browns would be among the teams in the mix for Wilkins’ services if he avoids the tag and is allowed to hit the market.

The Dolphins have until Tuesday to decide whether they want to tag Wilkins. After that, they have his exclusive negotiating rights for another five days before the legal tampering window opens.

If not tagged or re-signed, Wilkins would be free to sign with whomever he wants at 4 p.m. on March 13, when the league year turns over. Spotrac estimates his market value for a long-term deal is $20.2 million annually."

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/is-this-christian-wilkins-last-week-with-miami-dolphins/

This isn't fantasy football. Your take on the cap is cute, but bad cap situations result in loss of talent and difficult decisions in the real world. Looks like Wilkins might be a casualty because there's absolutely zero good football reason not to at least franchise or transition tag him.

If the Dolphins want to sign Wilkins they can and will. If they think he’s asking too much, they won’t. The cap isn’t some trade secret. The info is there. It’s addition and subtraction. The only unknowns are how long a restructure will be and how much the bonus will be. However, we can use past examples to make an educated guess.

DAdanmarinosubscriber
Mar 4, 2024, 08:46 AM

"pumpdogs wrote:

Not sure how we let him walk.We only have Seiler left.

The Dolphins have plenty of money to either keep him or go after someone else. Maybe Wilkins doesn’t fit Weaver’s scheme? What if Wilkins wants a new DT contract that sets an NFL record?

If he leaves we won’t have “only” Sieler for very long.

PUpumpdogsforum_veteran
Mar 4, 2024, 09:29 AM

"danmarino wrote:

The Dolphins have plenty of money to either keep him or go after someone else. Maybe Wilkins doesn’t fit Weaver’s scheme? What if Wilkins wants a new DT contract that sets an NFL record?

If he leaves we won’t have “only” Sieler for very long.

At the very least franchise him and get some compensation if he isn't a fit.
Don't think they will get a first if he wants to break the market but we need to get something.

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