Cam Cameron Should Quit

ridiculous.

And than we can start all over again, clean house and go 0-16 next year?

A new coach means new players to fit his scheme, another years set back.

I don't want Cam to go, we need him to get rid of capers and get a new fiery DC, and make Shea the OC and Green the QB coach.

Cam did not make martin wiff on blocks that got Beck killed, Cam did not let up and let a guy score (Crowder).

I guess P. Manning is no good either, he had 6 turnovers this year.

We need to let the season play out, but I really don't want another change. Parcells? No thank you, Cowher? won't coach next year Marty? no thank you.

it's a lot more than just CAM!

"screamer wrote:

it's a lot more than just CAM!

You can say that again!!! LOUDER PLEASE!!!

"FreshAir wrote:

Yes I know, another thread bashing Cam..

Obviously Mr Wayne H. made a mistake by hiring Cameron as a head coach..
Some of the mistakes made under Cam: traded Chambers, Mcmichael, Wes Welker, Donnie Jones, Kevin Carter.

I cannot judge the Ginn pick over Brady Quinn, but John Beck did not impress me at all and did not score 1 TD after 3 games.

And now, the locker room is divided and players frustrated....

The best way to clean up this mess is for Cam to either be the Offensive Coordinator or just quit like Wanny did.

Trading Chambers had good long term value, cutting McMichael was not a mistake with his work habits and cap number, the Wes Trade gave us our starting Center for the next 10 years, Donnie Jones would have cost quite a bit to match, and Kevin Carter had a huge cap number.

Basically our GM and HC looked over this roster and did what a lot of people wanted them to do, blew up some of it in an effort to go young and build for the future.

And I don't know why you are even directing this thread at Cam as all the moves you are talking about are PLAYER moves meaning our GM Mueller had the final call NOT Cam.

And its also against league rules for a team to demote a HC to a coordinator position so that's not even legally possible.

"dolphan117 wrote:

Trading Chambers had good long term value, cutting McMichael was not a mistake with his work habits and cap number, the Wes Trade gave us our starting Center for the next 10 years, Donnie Jones would have cost quite a bit to match, and Kevin Carter had a huge cap number.

Basically our GM and HC looked over this roster and did what a lot of people wanted them to do, blew up some of it in an effort to go young and build for the future.

And I don't know why you are even directing this thread at Cam as all the moves you are talking about are PLAYER moves meaning our GM Mueller had the final call NOT Cam.

And its also against league rules for a team to demote a HC to a coordinator position so that's not even legally possible.

You are 100% right..But I'm also talking with a lot of frustration.

God, it's painful to watch this team and I can't take it anymore !!!

This was my way to release some of it with that post.

"FreshAir wrote:

You are 100% right..But I'm also talking with a lot of frustration.

God, it's painful to watch this team and I can't take it anymore !!!

This was my way to release some of it with that post.

NP bro... We all are frustrated and even being a fan for 35 years, I had to turn the game off at the end of the 3rd quarter.

It is tough to watch, but I won't stop rooting for them!!! They will turn it around but the only way to do that is to get some consistency and continuity on this team.

Live by your user-id. Be the fresh air for the team!!!

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

And than we can start all over again, clean house and go 0-16 next year?

Starting all over is the right thing to do if you're going the wrong direction.
And NO other coach in the NFL would go 0-16, even with our lack of talent. Every other coach would have stumbled into one or two wins by now. It's HARD to go 0-16.

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

And than we can start all over again, clean house and go 0-16 next year?

A new coach means new players to fit his scheme, another years set back.

I don't want Cam to go, we need him to get rid of capers and get a new fiery DC, and make Shea the OC and Green the QB coach.

Cam did not make martin wiff on blocks that got Beck killed, Cam did not let up and let a guy score (Crowder).

I guess P. Manning is no good either, he had 6 turnovers this year.

We need to let the season play out, but I really don't want another change. Parcells? No thank you, Cowher? won't coach next year Marty? no thank you.

statement in bold is one of the reasons why im reluctant on a new coach.

I doubt it Cowher would come here unless WH throws boat load of $ at him, but I would take Marty over Cam in a heartbeat. We could always get another OC that has the same philosophy as Cam. System would be basically the same but different terminology. If we were to do this, they wouldnt have to learning a whole new system.

We defiantly need a new DC & ST coach.

What I can't understand is why so many "experts" here can't seem to grasp that Cam just coaches he doesn't pick the guys, that is MUELLERS job. And Randy has done pretty well for a guy in his first year. We are stockpiling picks and getting younger. I say give Cam another year to get near .500. If it's a disgrace again next year say adios. I think pretty much everyone agreed this team should have been blown up by Saban in his first year.

"Jagfish wrote:

What I can't understand is why so many "experts" here can't seem to grasp that Cam just coaches he doesn't pick the guys, that is MUELLERS job. And Randy has done pretty well for a guy in his first year. We are stockpiling picks and getting younger. I say give Cam another year to get near .500. If it's a disgrace again next year say adios. I think pretty much everyone agreed this team should have been blown up by Saban in his first year.

Well, Cameron has half the say in personnel decisions: he and Mueller have to agree, otherwise Wiedmeier breaks the impasse. IMO, the real issue isn't the players CamMul have picked, the issue is the players Wannstedt picked: namely, those 60 players that couldn't stick to the roster, with a few exceptions.

Even if Cameron goes 0-16 this year, I think he should be back next year. Now, if we threaten to go 0-16 again next year, then that's every justification in the world for firing him.

anyone know what other teams call the plays from the sideline like cam does?

i used to think he had this team going places. hes to soft on the guys. the whole team sux

"dolfan_uk wrote:

anyone know what other teams call the plays from the sideline like cam does?

i used to think he had this team going places. hes to soft on the guys. the whole team sux

I know Andy Reid does for the Eagles.

Shanahan, McCarthy, Gruden, Holmgren, Payton and Norv Turner all call their own plays.

Andy Reid used to but he gave up that role late last season.

RanCam are cleaning up the salary cap and to me that is a big step in the right direction.

Most new coaches don't really go 0-1x. Not even on the really bad teams or even expansion teams. If we win a few games, fine. But 0-16 is inexcusable no matter what. Losing record is understandable but 0-16 is too much.

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

And than we can start all over again, clean house and go 0-16 next year?

A new coach means new players to fit his scheme, another years set back.

I don't want Cam to go, we need him to get rid of capers and get a new fiery DC, and make Shea the OC and Green the QB coach.

Cam did not make martin wiff on blocks that got Beck killed, Cam did not let up and let a guy score (Crowder).

I guess P. Manning is no good either, he had 6 turnovers this year.

We need to let the season play out, but I really don't want another change. Parcells? No thank you, Cowher? won't coach next year Marty? no thank you.

Most teams dont even go 0-16 when they clean house, its over with cam im starting to miss the days when we would go 6-10

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

And than we can start all over again, clean house and go 0-16 next year?

A new coach means new players to fit his scheme, another years set back.

Normally I would agree. However there is no where to take an 0-16 except up. There is absolutely nothing wrong with swapping coaches at this point.

In fact it'll be better for the team as there's no way Cameron/Rick will be able to lure any free agents.

taking a non-expansion team to 0-16 is inexcusable

"lbmclean_sj wrote:

taking a non-expansion team to 0-16 is inexcusable

understand that we're worse than an expansion team; we have the burden of a salary cap figure on dead weight like chambers - for whom we're still taking an acceleration hit - and others, all chosen by wannstedt and saban.

we'll be considerably better next year, regardless of wins and losses, because we'll be one more year into a real plan by a real gm - mueller.

"NaboCane wrote:

understand that we're worse than an expansion team; we have the burden of a salary cap figure on dead weight like chambers - for whom we're still taking an acceleration hit - and others, all chosen by wannstedt and saban.

we'll be considerably better next year, regardless of wins and losses, because we'll be one more year into a real plan by a real gm - mueller.

were not worse than the Seahawks, Bucaneers and Saints were, and only the Bucs went winless

we are probably at the level of the more recent expansion teams, and they were far from winless

Cam didn't inherit much , but the HC I want would have done much more

"lbmclean_sj wrote:

were not worse than the Seahawks, Bucaneers and Saints were, and only the Bucs went winless

we are probably at the level of the more recent expansion teams, and they were far from winless

Cam didn't inherit much , but the HC I want would have done much more

wins are often more the product of luck than grace when it gets close. witness that if we scored 3+ more points in 6 particular games this season, we'd still be in the hunt for the playoffs. that's the truth.

you're missing the big picture if you think that figures in one column or another make a team good or bad. we suck because we suck - whether we we had won 6 or none of the games in question. and we suck because not only have we no talent, but that no talent is costing a fortune...and it will cost more to get rid of before it's done.

expansion teams don't have that burden.

I thought it was about winning, my mistake

"lbmclean_sj wrote:

I thought it was about winning, my mistake

it's about winning the war, not battles here and there.

good generals maintain the broad perspective.