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Calculated Gamble

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by tirty8, Feb 11, 2020.

  1. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    I'd be willing to throw a 3 year/$30 million fully guaranteed offer to Taysom Hill.

    Maybe he's just a backup who can be tossed in situationally, but maybe he is a bonafide viable starter. Whatever our QB situation may be, I would have zero problem letting him compete to start.

    In recent years, I think the Eagles provided teams needing a QB a model. Think back to when they drafted Wentz. On their roster, they were paying him, Sam Bradford, and Chase Daniel pretty hefty salaries. Basically, their butts were covered for anything that could have happened. Let's just say Wentz turned out to be a developmental project. At the time, Sam Bradford was a viable starter in the league. If his body gave out, they had Chase Daniel who was a system guy for the system Pederson ran. Ultimately, this yielded the optimum result when they traded Bradford to Minnesota for a first round pick. This was probably more of a matter of luck than anything.

    Imagine if we brought Fitzmagic, Rosen, Hill, and let's just say Tua into camp. If Tua beats everyone out, that is a fantastic problem to have. If that were the case, I would slow roll the process and trade Rosen for whatever we can get. I would hold onto Fitzmagic even if he wasn't dressing on game days. Inevitably, some team's starting QB will be injured, and Fitzmagic would be the exact guy that they are looking for - a smart vet that can learn a system quickly. Just look at the Steelers. If they had Fitzmagic, they would probably be in the playoffs.

    If Hill looks the best, I have zero problem starting him for the foreseeable future. As long as he looks the best, I really don't see a problem with it. To me, this would be another high quality problem, and I would handle it similar to the previous scenario.

    If Fitzmagic looks the best, I honestly wouldn't have a problem with him playing out his contract as a starter or until we are eliminated from contention.

    If Tua is not healthy to start the season, we could keep the remaining three while trying to trade Rosen.

    Finally, if things mentally click for Rosen, and he looks the best, start him. Again, I would chalk this up to a high quality problem to have. In this case, Fitzmagic would either get cut or traded (depending if there is an offer at the end of the preseason), or we could temporarily keep 4 QBs until an offer is made.

    To me, signing Hill just makes a lot of sense. We have the money, and it feels like a mutually good deal.
     
  2. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, I had never heard of him before. And after doing a little research, he likely wouldn't be interested in Miami because he wants a clear opportunity to start at QB. If that option isn't there, he'd prefer to stay with the Saints.

    Here's the other side of the coin- he's 30 years old, taken 110 QB snaps and never once threw a TD pass. I know that's a small sample size but that's the entire point...we have no idea if he would be an accurate passer. New Orleans has used him all over the field and the guy certainly has serious talent, but I don't think that's enough to sign him as a QB.

    He sort of puts me in the mind of Tebow- a freak athlete that could excel almost anywhere. That doesn't automatically make him an NFL QB though unless you're leaning towards more of a wildcat offense.
     
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  3. The Guy

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    The smart move for some team would be to draft or sign someone like Taysom Hill, do a complete paradigm shift of offensive play in the NFL, and have two quarterbacks on the field at all times, one who lines up behind center as traditionally, and another who could be anywhere, could receive lateral passes just after the snap, and could then run or throw the ball downfield.

    There is no reason why only one quarterback needs to be on the field. Have fun trying to defend two.
     
  4. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    Here is the thing. I think Miami would be his best chance to start. Honestly, I don't really see a team saying, "You're our franchise guy. We are going to give you a franchise salary."

    Start trying to slot him into other teams. It's not easy. Maybe a team like Indy. Maybe Carolina. Possibly Tampa. Maybe Oakland. I am not sure if he beats out a starter in any of those locations. I think beating out a rookie in Miami is certainly. How long he holds the position would be entirely up to his performance.
     
  5. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I mean, maybe if Fitzpatrick ultimately retires...but I don't see anyone beating him out of starting simply on leadership alone. Fitz is practically a lock unless Rosen or <rookie QB> has the pre-season of their lives. I just don't think there's an opportunity for Hill at QB unless we want to do some Wildcat...he'd be ideal for that role and you could develop him part-time.

    With that said, it really comes down to Hill's expectations. If he wants $10M+ a year AND a starting, 4-down QB role...he's not going to find it in the NFL. For 3M a year, several teams will roll the dice if he wants to lead the Wildcat and/or play some RB/TE/WR as well. I just don't see him getting exactly what he wants though due to age and lack of film at QB.
     
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  6. tirty8

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    I really agree with most of your sentiments. I really don't think he is getting an offer to be a four down starter. I think it does make sense for him to go to a place where that could become a possibility. I think Fitz is around for one more year, and then we are looking again.

    Watching him play, I think he is definitely more than just a wildcat QB. For me, that was the reason for creating this post. What is he? A premiere backup? A bottom third QB? A middle third QB? A top third QB?

    I'm actually fairly optimistic. His age doesn't scare me because I don't think there is a lot of tread on his tires.
     
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  7. TheHighExhaulted

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    Please hurry, NFL Draft.
     
  8. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    He's an interesting wild card/X-factor type player, but a franchise QB? No thanks.
     
  9. AGuyNamedAlex

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    So you mean they need a Kordell Stewart lol

    In theory not talent level necessarily.
     
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    Considering the Saints utilized Bridgewater during Brees injury I would not pay him that money.It's one thing to have a player to change things up (sorta like the wildcat)but I doubt he starting material.
     
  11. The Guy

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    There's no reason why an NFL offense couldn't run like the one in the following video, with two quarterbacks on the field:



    There's too much thinking "inside the box" by offensive play designers in the NFL. If plays originate from a single player (the quarterback) who is usually in a circumscribed area of the field (in the pocket), it becomes far easier to defend against offenses than it would be if plays originated through two players, one of whom could be in any area of the field.

    Taysom Hill is precisely the kind of player to be the "second QB" in such an offense, because he can pass and run. And in fact there's no reason why the first QB in such an offense couldn't be the same kind of player.

    Imagine trying to defend Lamar Jackson and Taysom Hill (and of course other skilled position players) in an offense like the one in the video above. Good luck with that.
     
  12. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    When I heard the Chargers and Rivers were gonna split, I was thinking about what if we paired him up with Fitzpatrick. That way, we wouldn’t be forced to trade up for a QB and we could use all of our resources to build the team. On game day we could play the guy with the hot hand.
     
  13. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Why would Rivers even consider doing that?
     
  14. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I think the issue is if QB#1 isnt a dual threat you're still basically playing 10 against the opponents 11 on a lot of plays.

    Also QB#2 needs to be either elite at throwing and above average in another area, preferably WR or the reverse. If I dont have to really defend him as a WR it's all going to be for nothing in the NFL because I dont think being just a runner is enough. Even if hes a great runner, lined up wide the play is going to flow in one predictable direction if he takes a handoff.
     
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  15. texanphinatic

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    Exactly. It's not like we haven't seen this stuff before, but it's not a sustainable system. We see college QBs get converted into other positions frequently, and often they get used on trick plays and the like. Outside of that, they get predictable and just can't consistently move the ball.
     
  16. The Guy

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    The effectiveness of it would come from two things: 1) tremendous variation in the area on the field from which passes are thrown, and 2) the threat of the quarterbacks' running or throwing the ball.

    Right now defense's jobs in the NFL are made far easier by 1) knowing where passes are very likely to come from on the field, which allows them to send their pass rushers to that area without wasting their efforts elsewhere on the field, and 2) knowing fairly quickly after the snap whether a play is going to be a run or a pass, which allows them to respond quickly and defend the corresponding areas of the field.

    Present-day offensive functioning in the NFL allows defenses far too easy a job of it. We got a taste of this this year when Lamar Jackson was very difficult to stop because he addressed one of these issues above. The next step is to have two QBs on the field and make it even more difficult for defenses.
     
  17. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I know the guy has like 100 kids or something, but South Beach, dude, South Beach. Seriously, though, we are a team on the rise and he's a dude that's got one foot through the retirement door. With those two we could scheme up things pretty good and hold our cards about who is going to start that week close to the vest until game day. If one guy is having a tough game, plug the other guy in and see if he can eke out a win. Respect both guys and make it a two-head monster kind of thing. I know it's far-fetched and all that and will never happen. Just thinking outside the box a little bit, that's all. I will put my crack pipe down now.
     
  18. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I think people are looking at Hill and thinking that he could possibly be another type of player that Lamar Jackson is. I'm not comparing the two, but Hill might possibly be used the same way. It's a copycat league and I can see a team giving him a shot. I think his best bet would be to stay put in New Orleans, but if he decides to cash in somewhere I won't blame him. In short, I don't think he'll be a good full time Quarterback. I think that would be a disaster for whatever team tries buying into that idea. Honestly if Tebow would have tried to be more of a player like Hill is, he might still be playing in the NFL. He opted to try and be a quarterback full time and he ended up out of the league. Same will happen with Hill if he leaves New Orleans.
     
  19. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    My point is, he won't go anywhere where he isn't the immediate starter. There is no chance he will agree to play Hot Hand with Fitzpatrick.
     
  20. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    OK. Got it the first time, chief. [Hand Salute]
     
  21. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    I think Hill should keep doing what he's been doing. Maybe a few more snaps but there's your more than one QB if he was a Raven ATM that would be ugly to defend paired with Lamar.
     

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