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"Fin D wrote:
Obviously.
That doesn't change what I'm saying about a vet back up.
Whats the point in wasting money on a vet backup?Tannehill gets hurt the season is over anyway.Let the rookie get some reps.
Fin Dforum_veteran"pumpdogs wrote:
Whats the point in wasting money on a vet backup?Tannehill gets hurt the season is over anyway.Let the rookie get some reps.
Because you need 3 QBs.
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Nappy Rootsforum_veteran"Galant wrote:
Hopefully his plane takes a detour and he never even visits
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Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran"KeyFin wrote:
I personally wouldn't be against Manziel as long as it's an incentive contract with virtually nothing to lose. If Gase can help get the kid on track then we have a very talented QB on the cheap; if not then he doesn't make the final cut-down and that's that. Or if he shows anything we don't like....same thing....we cut his butt and lose nothing.
I know some don't like the guy for non-football reasons, but the way I see it there is only upside here and we could end up with a fantastic QB a few years down the road basically for free. Why not roll the dice?
I don't like him for football reasons. I think he is a great college quarterback who does not have the talent to play the kind of ball he does in the pros. He is a back up talent with a super star mindset.
The dude is Jake Locker without the talent with a huge ego.
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texanphinaticforum_veteran"Fin D wrote:
Because you need 3 QBs.
While it is unlikely that a backup has great success, there have to be better than the Brock Lobster out there. Dude is just flat out bad. That's the point for me. He's not worth a half eaten donut, he doesn't deserve a roster space, he has 0 upside. Take a risk on someone that hasn't had all the chances and failed. If it's coming down to a backup, go for ceiling rather than floor.
"Steve-Mo wrote:
Had Philadelphia not made the playoffs: there is no hoopla over him. He averaged a paltry 5.3 yards per attempt. He's still a 1 year wonder and the product of Chip Kelly's short lived NFL success. I remember he looked pretty awful playing for Jeff Fisher a few years back and was a bit of a joke.
Everyone played poorly for Jeff Fischer. Jeff Fischer is a horrifically mediocre coach with a special aptitude for destroying offenses and QBs.
Unlucky 13subscriberAbsolutely nothing good can come from signing Manziel. The dude would corrupt at least part of the locker room. He's toxic.
Fin Dforum_veteran"texanphinatic wrote:
While it is unlikely that a backup has great success, there have to be better than the Brock Lobster out there. Dude is just flat out bad. That's the point for me. He's not worth a half eaten donut, he doesn't deserve a roster space, he has 0 upside. Take a risk on someone that hasn't had all the chances and failed. If it's coming down to a backup, go for ceiling rather than floor.
There is only CKap. If a team isn't willing to grab Cap, then there really isn't anyone significantly better.
Nappy Rootsforum_veteran"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:
I don't like him for football reasons. I think he is a great college quarterback who does not have the talent to play the kind of ball he does in the pros. He is a back up talent with a super star mindset.
The dude is Jake Locker without the talent with a huge ego.
What talent did Locker have that Manziel didnt? Size? Big arm? Manziels arm talent as a whole ran circles around Locker. There is one reason Manziel isn't or won't be successful in the NFL and its nothing to do with his football talent.
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Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran"Nappy Roots wrote:
What talent did Locker have that Manziel didnt? Size? Big arm? Manziels arm talent as a whole ran circles around Locker. There is one reason Manziel isn't or won't be successful in the NFL and its nothing to do with his football talent.
Locker was an amazing talent.
Manziel is a good college talent with great PR.
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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Unlucky 13subscriber"Nappy Roots wrote:
What talent did Locker have that Manziel didnt? Size? Big arm? Manziels arm talent as a whole ran circles around Locker. There is one reason Manziel isn't or won't be successful in the NFL and its nothing to do with his football talent.
I would dispute that. I thought that Locker was a much better college QB than Manziel. Take away the crazy playground nonsense, and I'm not sure how good Manziel would have even been at that level, let alone the NFL.
And then there's of course the fact that he's a pile of **** as a human being.
texanphinaticforum_veteran"Fin D wrote:
There is only CKap. If a team isn't willing to grab Cap, then there really isn't anyone significantly better.
I agree that Cap is clearly the only proven QB available, and clearly what a team that wants to be the best would do.
However, barring that, not all the rest of the QB's are equal. I would absolutely take Manziel over Brock. Manziel may be terrible or flame out ... but fuck who knows. We KNOW Brock is terrible and not worth a used diaper. Take a guy with an unknown but potentially higher ceiling instead of a guy everyone knows is just bad. Try to find a guy who was in a bad scheme fit, who was underutilized, who had poor coaching, etc. Foles was a great example. Some early success, then got into a bad situation with a bad scheme and bad coach.
Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran"texanphinatic wrote:
I agree that Cap is clearly the only proven QB available, and clearly what a team that wants to be the best would do.
However, barring that, not all the rest of the QB's are equal. I would absolutely take Manziel over Brock. Manziel may be terrible or flame out ... but **** who knows. We KNOW Brock is terrible and not worth a used diaper. Take a guy with an unknown but potentially higher ceiling instead of a guy everyone knows is just bad. Try to find a guy who was in a bad scheme fit, who was underutilized, who had poor coaching, etc. Foles was a great example. Some early success, then got into a bad situation with a bad scheme and bad coach.
Manziel is worse than Brock.
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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Fin Dforum_veteran"texanphinatic wrote:
I agree that Cap is clearly the only proven QB available, and clearly what a team that wants to be the best would do.
However, barring that, not all the rest of the QB's are equal. I would absolutely take Manziel over Brock. Manziel may be terrible or flame out ... but **** who knows. We KNOW Brock is terrible and not worth a used diaper. Take a guy with an unknown but potentially higher ceiling instead of a guy everyone knows is just bad. Try to find a guy who was in a bad scheme fit, who was underutilized, who had poor coaching, etc. Foles was a great example. Some early success, then got into a bad situation with a bad scheme and bad coach.
I dunno, I just think the chance of Manziel doing anything useful is so slim it isn't worth the headache he'll likely cause.
Nappy Rootsforum_veteran"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:
Locker was an amazing talent.
Manziel is a good college talent with great PR.
Bologne. Locker was nothing more than a hype train. Classic big arm QB that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I hate how people always forget accuracy as a "talent". I am sure you see Josh Allen as the most talented QB in this class as well.
"Unlucky 13 wrote:
I would dispute that. I thought that Locker was a much better college QB than Manziel. Take away the crazy playground nonsense, and I'm not sure how good Manziel would have even been at that level, let alone the NFL.
And then there's of course the fact that he's a pile of **** as a human being.
What on gods green earth were you guys watching? Locker was not a good QB. People can hate Manziel all they want and I agree. Hes a piece of shit. But to say Jake Locker was a better COLLEGE QB than him is one of the most laughable things I have ever seen posted.
Locker College Stats
40 Games
54% Completion Percentage
7639 Yards
53 TDs
35 INTs
1939 Rushing 29 TDs
Manziel
26 Games
68.9% Completion Percentage
7820 Yards
63 TDs
22 INTs
2169 Rushing 30 TDs
Hahaha. You have to be joking me.
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Steve-Moforum_veteran"texanphinatic wrote:
Everyone played poorly for Jeff Fischer. Jeff Fischer is a horrifically mediocre coach with a special aptitude for destroying offenses and QBs.
Of course, and people weren't banging down Keenum's door after he played there either. Yet he has since lead a team deep into the playoffs and showed enough to get a pretty sweet contract, which was sort of where I was going.
texanphinaticforum_veteran"Fin D wrote:
I dunno, I just think the chance of Manziel doing anything useful is so slim it isn't worth the headache he'll likely cause.
It is slim, hopefully first of all because he never sees the field lol. Do a team friendly contract. Any wayward peep or activity, cut him and find someone else.
"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:
Manziel is worse than Brock.
Disagree. He had one shot in the NFL so far. He was bad, but there were mitigating factors. He still has a MUCH higher potential ceiling than "warm body" Brock. There is no guarantee he ever reaches it or even clearly surpasses Brock, but I'd rather take that chance than give a contract to a guy who has blown multiple shots.
Unlucky 13subscriber"Nappy Roots wrote:
Bologne. Locker was nothing more than a hype train. Classic big arm QB that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I hate how people always forget accuracy as a "talent". I am sure you see Josh Allen as the most talented QB in this class as well.
What on gods green earth were you guys watching? Locker was not a good QB. People can hate Manziel all they want and I agree. Hes a piece of ****. But to say Jake Locker was a better COLLEGE QB than him is one of the most laughable things I have ever seen posted.
Locker College Stats
40 Games
54% Completion Percentage
7639 Yards
53 TDs
35 INTs
1939 Rushing 29 TDsManziel
26 Games
68.9% Completion Percentage
7820 Yards
63 TDs
22 INTs
2169 Rushing 30 TDsHahaha. You have to be joking me.
Not joking at all. I liked the way Locker set up and threw, stood in the pocket, his arm motion, release, ect. I was very high on him. Clearly, football ended up being not very important to him and he quit, so he was a bust. But I thought he could have done well. Never cared about his running one way or another.
On the flip side, take away Manziel's running around, force him to be a pocket passer and set and throw in typical situations, and he's nothing. Even with a personality transplant, I saw him as a late round flyer.
Vertical Limitforum_veteranI have trouble accepting that Manziel will make it back to the league and kaepernick wont.
One took a knee prostesting civil rights.
The other had a drug problem, and beat up his girlfriend and threatened to kill her
KeyFinforum_veteran"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:
I don't like him for football reasons. I think he is a great college quarterback who does not have the talent to play the kind of ball he does in the pros. He is a back up talent with a super star mindset.
The dude is Jake Locker without the talent with a huge ego.
You see, I don't watch college much so I really have no idea how good/bad he was....all I heard was the endless hype. I do believe in giving players second chances though because that's how we landed folks like Wake, Williams, etc. Who was the player working for UPS that walked onto the team? Bess maybe? I can't remember the dude's name. I love those comeback stories though.
My point is that if Manziel potentially has the goods but hasn't shown them yet on the pro level, I'd love to get him with Gase for the pre-season to see what happens. I wouldn't even begin to think of him as "starter potential" even if something happened with RT...I'd basically treat him like a prospect IF the potential is there. That's the part I don't know though....does he have QB1 potential down the road in a perfect system with the perfect coaches developing him?
That's the stuff you don't get from all the league hype and commentary pieces, so I just don't know. But if there's even a slim chance, then give the guy a roster spot for a few months and see if he's willing to fight for the final 52. I don't see a downside there.
Winning football games at any level comes down to winning in the trenches.
KeyFinforum_veteran"Vertical Limit wrote:
The other had a drug problem, and beat up his girlfriend and threatened to kill her
Crap, I forgot about that; I take back everything I said. If you abuse a woman, you need to GTFO of my league...no explanation necessary.
Winning football games at any level comes down to winning in the trenches.
muskrat21forum_veterani rather have cutler or kaep over brock, oh well, can't win them all.
Finatikmoderator"Vertical Limit wrote:
I have trouble accepting that Manziel will make it back to the league and kaepernick wont.
One took a knee prostesting civil rights.
The other had a drug problem, and beat up his girlfriend and threatened to kill her
You mean one that spat on this country's flag and wore socks with pigs calling all police pigs costing the NFL in viewers. The other cost one team some money. F Kap. I hope they throw him out the country with his dumb arse girlfriend who inspired it all.
Lots of people will tell you what they think about you and what you shouldn't and should do. Not everyone's thoughts are worth consideration. Don't take criticism from anyone who you wouldn't also go to for advice.
"Finatik wrote:
You mean one that spat on this country's flag and wore socks with pigs calling all police pigs costing the NFL in viewers. The other cost one team some money. F Kap. I hope they throw him out the country with his dumb arse girlfriend who inspired it all.
So you think that is worse than someone beating up their girlfriend?
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