I don't buy this whole thing (not talking about the video I just quoted, 'cause that is obviously proof lol). I would love for this to be true, I would love for there to be a definitive video out there to prove that there is some form of life beyond our own. I think there is some compelling stuff that has passed the "hoax" test and is still unexplained, unfortunately mainstream scientists won't even bother researching this topic because they are afraid of being labeled "kooks". But there is a ton of crap, and this video is one of them IMO. There are a few good vids out there taken by the space shuttle and a few others that are hard to explain as swamp gas, birds or "hallucination".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoCjea4aSeE Maybe its a midget with a mask on, did they think of that? Occam's Razor people. You gotta be ****in' me.
I like how all versions of aliens reported appear very similar to the aliens in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Amazing coincidence.
Because the black helicopter people allowed it to be released now. and if you didn't know I was being sarcastic..then I can't do nothing for ya.
I doubt it, but I still want to see it. I'm 100% positive there is life besides our own. Just not sure if it could visit us ever or make contact.
Well that would depend on the level of technology. If it was a civilization that met all of the drake equation requirements and was......say 1,000 years ahead of us in that regard, they may very well have found a way to travel long distances in a reasonable amount of time whether it is a propulsion or worm hole. As far as contacting us, we would have to know what to look for. Using the same example of a civilization with 1,000 years on us, unless they are using technology that we understand (radio waves, xrays, etc) then it would be almost impossible for us to receive such a signal. It would be like trying to use smoke signals to communicate with a cell phone or supercomputer.
Yep. Theres actually a really cool section in Michio Kaku's book 'Physics of the impossible' about space travel, whether we could actually contact other living beings, and so on in it.
I don't think so. I think the probability of their being an advanced civilization is pretty low. Maybe life that is int he early stages. But at our level?
No doubt there are probably life forms far ahead of us in evolution (or at least equal). The probability that they are close enough to make contact even then though is low. We talk about traveling amazing distances in the future, but it's still all theory right now. We don't even know for 100% certain it is possible. Even though at this point it seems like it may be.
Well see there is a doubt that the civilization would be equal or greater, still exist, remember life forms die out as well as solar systems etc, and as you stated be close enough to make contact. On top of that certain conditions have to be met to sustain the life, cause life to evolve, cause a solar system which can have life to form, etc. On top of that chaotic systems which would have to be near, or close to ours, I think, etc. Just seems like alot has to happen for us to have alien contact. I agree its not 100% certain alien life forms have not contacted us, and I'm not saying this with 100% certainty, just saying is all.....
I agree with a lot of that. I'll put it this way, I think the chances of there being more advanced beings out there are far greater than the chances of making contact with one anytime soon. Part of it comes from my personality though. I always kind of feel arrogant when I think we are the most advanced thing in any universe out there.
well see there in lies the rub, so shakespearean haha, where you see arrogance, I see probability, numbers, etc.
I haven't read it yet, don't spoil the ending. Why not? To think that we are the highest level being out there is rather silly IMO. Even if we were one of ten other technologically advanced civilizations out there, it would all come down to how old they actually are. If you use the drake equation to determine how many possible civilizations there are in our galaxy alone, you come up with something like 100 billion right in our own backyard. The odds of one of them being at our level or better is pretty good.
It's hard to come up with correct probabilities when the universe is as large as it is though. I mean if we could come up with something even close there wouldnt be need for this discussion right?
Not really silly. Not really just a matter of time either. You assume every civilization will advance and evolve. And there in lies the question, for all civilizations made, how many actually have the ability to advance, how many last long enough to advance, how many do it at our pace, how many do it slower, etc. What do you tell the highest civilization we do find, or that we know exists? Be careful there might be another advanced civilization out there? well first of all how do you even test the validity of the drake equation?
of course, infinity is something that will perplex scientists for ages. How do you define it mathematically much less physically?
In an infinite universe anything with a non zero probability will happen infinite times. Not really relevant to this, but you just reminded me of a book I read about a month ago called 'The Infinite Book'.
well think of it this way. If lets say there is a 1 in million chance of their being a species as advanced or greater then us. Then technically because infinity can be made of a million, million,million, million , and so on parts, then technically there can be an infinite amount of advanced civilizations. I don't know it gets confusing lol
It's not a definite, there is no way to tell just how many civilizations may be out there. But to my knowledge it's the best one out there that gives us a general idea about life in our universe. And it takes into account civilizations that may not have advanced past a certain stage or suffered the fate of killing themselves into extinction. Again, I agree with Alex that to think that we are somehow special is very arrogant of us. We may be the new kids on the block and far less superior than the average, we really can't know how we fit into this universe until we do come in contact with another civilization. But when you look at how far we've come in just the past 100 years and then think of what a civilization might have been able to accomplish with 1,000 or 100,000 year head start, I think the odds of us being the most advanced are not good.
To even reach other solar systems you have to have some sort of Time travel/Faster than light way to travel. The universe is huge so to say there no life would be very closed minded. But I also think if there were other life forms the possiblity of them being greater isn't that far fetched.
Not necessarily. A worm hole is basically a short cut through space/time, we just need to figure out how to access and utilize them (if they do indded exist). Help me out here Alex, which level did Michio Kaku give us and give to a civilization that could harness the power of a star (type 1, type 2, etc)? Even if you were stuck with our current technology, you could conceivably get from point A to point B in normal time if you could build a space habit (ship) that is large enough and capable of sustaining an ecosystem and human occupants. It would take alot longer, but it's nearly possible with our current technolgy.
Not really. The furthest we can send man is to what the moon? There is work on other types of rockets currently, but most can not carry the payload, and/ or have enough energy. I wouldn't say we are close to hitting a wormhole. Also remember worm holes are based on the theory that space is somewhat coiled on top of itself from what I recall..........
I guess because I believe that there are civilizations far more advanced than us. To put it in a different context, it would be like one of those untouched tribes of the Amazon thinking that they are the most advanced when 50 miles down the road people are sitting in Starbucks with their double mocha using their laptops. We don't know what's out there, so to just assume that we are at the top is arrogant IMO. Until we are able to gauge how many are out there and how sophisticated they are, we shouldn't automatically assume that we're top dog.
That's why I said "nearly". I've read that we have the technology to make a manned mission to Mars, it's just the will that we're lacking. We don't have the same drive that we had when Kennedy said that we were going to the moon. I wouldn't say that either, I hope it didn't come across that way. And there are a few different theories on how exactly space is "shaped" I guess. But yeah, the basic idea is that it would look something like this.
So what your saying is we can harness a Worm Hole without even proving they exist? Talk about Blind faith.
Why do you say that? I think we would benefit greatly from a manned mission to Mars. No brother, if they exist it would be theoretically possible.
Well I say that because there isn't much to do on Mars. Unless you plan on colonizing but were no where near that point. Besides That kind of money could go towards the economy and making America better as a whole. Okay now your just confusing me. Do you know something I don't?
Colonizing is one benefit, but there are many others that would help us better understand the solar system, better understand our own planet and how Mars' past may indicate what our future may hold, to search for life in ways a robot can't, etc. And going to Mars would pump billions of dollars into American industry just like it did when we went to the moon. A mission like that would create thousands of jobs and help boost our economy. Sadly, that race doesn't exist yet.
sliders was based on the multiverse....... that is not space travel but traveling from different universes where different instances of the same world and same moment have taken place .......... just differently......
not from what I remember. From what I remember it was based off the multi verse. and I do believe the multiverse is based off string theory, though not readily accepted. Not to sure about the worm hole phenomena though ...
