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Bob Sanders cut - yay or nay?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by finsbuck719, Feb 18, 2011.

  1. finsbuck719

    finsbuck719 New Member

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...lagued-pro-bowler-sanders?module=HP_headlines

    Yes, he is made of glass. We all know that. He is 29 years old. We all know that. Those reasons are what is keeping me from saying Yeah! Let's go after him. However...

    When healthy, he is still hands down one of the better safeties in the league. Yeremiah Bell has never been great in coverage and seems as if he has slowed down a bit over the past 2 years. Bell will also be 33 soon. Not only that, but he is pretty expensive for his on the field production. Now, I don't know how much money we owe Bell, but if we don't owe him much or any, I wouldn't mind moving him to open up some more cap space for this free agency that is loaded with talent everywhere.

    I'm just going to assume that Sanders is going to be fairly cheap, because of his age and his injury history.

    One more point: Bob Sanders is like Troy Polomalu...when he is on the field, he makes the defense and players around him that much better.

    Do you think Miami will at least entertain the idea of possibly going after Sanders in FA? It would be a clear upgrade at the SS position, it couldn't hurt our defense, and he may come cheap. Injuries and age are the worries though. I've said it before...I want to go strictly offense this off season, but wouldn't be disappointed if we looked to upgrade our safeties somehow.

    edit: Btw, this is just to open up some debate while we go through the dead parts of the off season.
     
  2. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    No thanks.
     
  3. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    He's good but he's never played a full season.
     
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  4. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    No. He's done. 3 or 4 years ago I probably take the chance and hope he's healthy, but not now. He's done.
     
  5. Hurricane

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    If he would take a low base/high incentive contract with option years, then absolutely.

    A healthy Bob Sanders is the second best free safety in the league.

    Best case scenario is, he stays healthy and takes our defense to the next level.

    Worst case scenario is, he blows his ACL in camp and we're out of a minimum contract.

    How is that not worth the gamble?

    The ideal situation would be to couple him with a rookie. In the event that he goes down, the rookie steps in under Sanders' tutoring. There aren't too many guys in the game that can read the field like Bob. This is a no risk/high reward.

    Furthermore, I'd pass on Asomugha if it meant getting Sanders. Sanders fills in a more pressing need and would cost about 5% of what Aso would.
     
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  6. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Why are we having this conversation?
     
  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I'd take a shot on him, but can he play FS?

    But ti would not surprise if he wound up someplace like Denver where he'd have a clearer chance at Starting, for us he would be in the mix at FS and would be starting from behind Clemons and Jones.
     
  8. Hurricane

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    He played Strong Safety by title in Indianapolis, but he's more of a open-field tackler/ballhawk (Think Polamalu).

    That said, I'm sure he could play Free with his speed and instincts... if not, I'm sure a guy as smart as Nolan could figure a way to utilize him and Bell effectively.
     
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  9. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    No thanks but I have to say I disagree about Sanders being made of glass. Yeah he is injured quite often but you would be hard pressed to find another guy anywhere that gives up his body like this guy. The Colts had to be in fear of putting him on the field in certain situations ( big lead, preseason) cause he just absolutely brings it every down he is in there. He would be a great guy to have early in his career but he is spent due to his own recklessness.
     
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  10. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    :lol: Jesus...it's like clockwork. As soon as I saw the item in my news feed I knew this would come up.

    NO.

    He's a midget dwarf; he poses for trophy statues in 1:1 scale. And that's the reason he's injured ALWAYS - he's a tiny little guy playing a big man's game.

    No doubt he's talented; no doubt he's a player. But he simply isn't built for the pro game.

    To cap it off: he would take up a roster spot that will displace a young player who might actually help us win down the line when we have a team that can actually beat the dregs of the NFL.
     
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  11. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    Not even remotely interested.
     
  12. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'd be all for it, depending on the price.

    The Dolphins are in a good position to deal with the probability he'll end the season on IR. They've got enough young, experienced depth that they can use to fill in, and their current scheme already involves situational use of safeties.

    Bob Sanders can play FS in this defense, and if he goes down, it's back to Jones or Clemons, one whom will likely be the starter going in to the season as it stands

    Or you can play in situationally... When Yeremiah Bell plays LB in the Nickel package, Sanders can replace him. You limit his snap count, and put him in a situation where he's playing more in space and less filling vs. the run which would mean not as much head on contact with a runningback and being subject to blocks less.
     
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  13. GMJohnson

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    I say we sign him. The Packers just showed everyone that the more players you have on Injured Reserve, the better your chances of winning the Super Bowl...
     
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  14. bamadolphin

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    he is a big difference maker in the four games he plays every year
     
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  15. RalphX19X

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    Yes, and i believe ireland will go after him. If I remember correctly he liked him lots during that draft when he was with the cowboys.
     
  16. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Hell nay.

    No, he makes Indy's defense that much better. He is their key cog, there is no reason to believe he would have that same impact here because our D would not be built around him.
     
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  17. CaribPhin

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    Darren Sproles, London Fletcher, Patrick Cobbs, Dexter McCluster, Vontae Davis, DeSean Jackson. None taller than 5'10''. Wait, Vontae i 5'11'', still not tall. He's probably the second best tackler on this team.
     
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  18. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    I read this forward, then backward, then put it in a spanish to english translator, and everytime, what you said comes back that, he's solid, but still made of glass.


    :lol:
     
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  19. Garryowen

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    He's an upgrade, but you have to be on the field.
     
  20. Hurricane

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  21. MarinePhinFan

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    If the price is right, yes.

    The talent he has is unquestionable. As mentioned earlier, his biggest problem is that he goes 110% every play and his body has not been able to keep up with his will and mind. However, if, and yes it would be a big if, he could make it through a full season he would only help make our young, up and coming defense better. Hell, if even for only ONE season he stayed healthy he'd teach the younger guys a few things.
     
  22. Alex13

    Alex13 Welcome to the NEW Miami Club Member

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    heart of a champion...body made of glass, still if he comes cheap...i wouldnt mind
     
  23. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    At this point,you have a better chance of Sean Taylor getting more playing time
     
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  24. ckparrothead

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    I look forward to the day when Miami has the kind of margin for error it would take to be comfortable rolling the dice on Bob Sanders. But until we get a quarterback, it's not a good idea.

    All Bob Sanders would do is come into training camp, steal reps from Chris Clemons and Reshad Jones, get the secondary to have chemistry with him, and then two games into the season he's hurt again and you're tossing a Clemons or Jones out there when they would have been better off if they'd just gotten the reps and been given the opportunity to develop their skills and chemistry with the rest of the unit from the start.

    It's fine for a team like New England because they can entire Sanders to come on with the allure of competing for a championship (he won't be convinced that he can get one here), and it might induce him to accept a reduced role they give him as a nickel/dime player. They'd do this in order to keep him healthy, and then they could increase his role and playing time according to the importance of the game.

    Miami has virtually no margin for error, and so every game is a playoff game. We wouldn't have that luxury, he'd probably be starting for us immediately because every game Clemons starts in his place, our low margin for error makes it all the more likely that a difference between Clemons and Sanders could have swung the game in our favor, and every extra W or L that goes in the column could be the difference between us making the playoffs or not.

    And so Miami is forced to gamble on Reshad Jones and Chris Clemons taking a step up in their game, because they're reliable enough to play and stay healthy. Putting Bob Sanders in front of them makes them a lot less likely to take that next step up.

    So, I say nay. Unless Jeff Ireland pulls a franchise QB out of his arse.
     
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  25. Hurricane

    Hurricane Guest

    Not cool, bro.
     
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  26. Garryowen

    Garryowen New Member

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    We're a classy fanbase, right?

    We're the Jets or the Dolphins. Our posts unveil us.
     
  27. CaribPhin

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    Not this again. It was one guy who made one joke Garry. Every thread doesn't have to devolve into a Victorian era honor thread.
     
  28. NaboCane

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  29. DHPVW

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    At this point in his career I'd take Bell over Sanders any day. Bell is an above average safety, any announcer will say it as I'm sure his teammates would too. Could be a bit better in coverage but one of the best today in run coverage. Dude is a animal, always around the ball to make a or assist on the tackle. We have some good young prospects at safety in Clemons and Jones. I say they play Jones a bit more next year on pass downs, he showed lots of positives last year when he got the reps. Sanders is prob one of the better safety's in the NFL, but he doesn't help if he can't ever play in a game being that he is injured all the time
     
  30. finserg

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    No thanks, the guy cant stay on the field.
     
  31. finsbuck719

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    I wouldn't say he isn't built for the game. The guy is packed at 210, which is equivalent to around 235 if he was six feet. /broscience.

    If he would take away a roster spot from someone like Nate Ness or Marlon Moore, then I will still think it's a positive. Regardless if Sanders even plays 1 snap.

    I don't understand how Indy's d was built around him. They play a cover 2 and throw him in the box almost as a LB in some situations. Defenses aren't necessarily built around safeties...He could come in and play Bell's role, but give us that extra range and extra pass defense.

    Chris Clemons, Tyron Culver, Jonathan Amaya, possibly Yeremiah Bell, and Reshad Jones.
     
  32. NaboCane

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    He'll have a huge impact on the talent level of our injured reserve corps.
     
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  33. djphinfan

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    He's worth the gamble.... period.....imo

    This franchise could only wish to have players that play with the demeanor of a bob sanders..I dont give a rats *** if its only for 4 games, maybe somebody will learn a fu%$in lesson around here.

    I saw a bunch of quitters in New england..
     
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  34. Pandarilla

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    He's a complete nutter. He reminds me of the tiny warrior played by Tommy Davidson in Ace Ventura 2...

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  35. Boik14

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    Hes not the same player he was four or five years ago even when hes been healthy. I like the guy but he is strictly a run defending SS at this point as even covering TE's has become hard him. Hes not the same hitter he was either. I dont know...maybe on an incentive based deal but i feel like Reshad Jones/Bell could be a better combo. We need more pressure guys in my opinion; that means linebackers.
     
  36. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    His build says he's built to play football but his body cannot seem to take the punishment.

    The Colts Defense used different coverages by moving Sanders. Sending him into the box, often times you would see them look like they were in Cover 2 when it was in fact a Cover 3. It is very difficult to implement a Cover 2 with one of the Safties stacking the box (The Tampa 2, which Sanders could handle). When he was cheating up in the box, they varied what his assignment was. Usually they did this when the other teams down and distance would indicate a good percentage chance that they would run. It was on Sanders to read the play and know where to go upon the snap. So if they did not run, he would either blitz or pick up a player in the flat...ect. ect.

    So yeah, the defense was kind of designed around him. He is a special type of player, who plays with wreckless abandon and he is so instinctive. Too bad his body could not hanlde the punishment because he is that good.
     
  37. djphinfan

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    you wish Bob sanders was on your team.
     
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  38. djphinfan

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    Matt, hes a player that I dont care to break down schematically, its dynamics, its attitude, Its intimidation, its sacrificing your body for the team and the win...its something that the players on this team needs a major dose of..

    Remember, this is a team that doesn't come to play at home...so, some drastic measures needs to be taken...They need an attitude adjustment, and I gurantee you 1 thing, if Bob freakin Sanders was on this team, he would be the unquestioned leader of these little boyz...maybe they would learn somethin.
     
  39. Shamboubou

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    Cracks me up how some people who are pulling for J. Russell to get another shot with the Dolphins who looked like crap when he played. Then a guy who actually can play but has been off injured are like, no way in hell. We dont want any talent on the miami dolphins are you kidding me!!!! The thought process of some on this board are just highly highly entertaining.
     
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  40. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Where are the folks that wanted Earl thomas so bad?...That must mean you have a craving for a safety playmaker...

    If iam Irish, and I have a chance to sign a healthy Bob Sanders, Iam getting it done today if he passes the physical....

    Please Irish....
     

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