Blown call in Dolphins favor?

I think many Packers fans would complain about that call against their LB Francois on the punt. We ended up getting a TD because of that extremely late call.

Personally I think it was (barely) the right call. Mostly just one of those situations it could have gone uncalled but if I were the coach I still would have chastised Francois to be more careful how far he lines up off the snapper. It just ends up looking egregious because of how horribly late the flag came.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I think many Packers fans would complain about that call against their LB Francois on the punt. We ended up getting a TD because of that extremely late call.

Personally I think it was (barely) the right call. Mostly just one of those situations it could have gone uncalled but if I were the coach I still would have chastised Francois to be more careful how far he lines up off the snapper. It just ends up looking egregious because of how horribly late the flag came.

I was going to say this. I remember the game coming back from commercial, and its magically our ball again. I was thinking if I was a Packers fan I would have been irate.

The only one I can remember was the Jason Taylor interception last year against Tampa Bay, where it looked like the receiver (Michael Clayton?) was down, but they ruled he did not complete the catch. Though that was very similar to the Calvin Johnson play.

The Packers one was iffy, but ultimately a dumb rule that was the correct call.

Of course, it's human nature to remember the bad more than the good.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I think many Packers fans would complain about that call against their LB Francois on the punt. We ended up getting a TD because of that extremely late call.

Personally I think it was (barely) the right call. Mostly just one of those situations it could have gone uncalled but if I were the coach I still would have chastised Francois to be more careful how far he lines up off the snapper. It just ends up looking egregious because of how horribly late the flag came.

ahh, that was the right call and according to one of the defensive players (dont recall who) he was doing it all game long. So it could have been one of those things that the refs let him get away with it long enough before throwing the flag.

"gilv13 wrote:

I was going to say this. I remember the game coming back from commercial, and its magically our ball again. I was thinking if I was a Packers fan I would have been irate.

Luckily, they got a call that was just as bad and just as potentially game-changing when somehow on review they insisted that Ronnie Brown did not gain that yard he needed for the first down.

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

The only one I can remember was the Jason Taylor interception last year against Tampa Bay, where it looked like the receiver (Michael Clayton?) was down, but they ruled he did not complete the catch. Though that was very similar to the Calvin Johnson play.

The Packers one was iffy, but ultimately a dumb rule that was the correct call.

Of course, it's human nature to remember the bad more than the good.

Actually I would say Miami got screwed on that particular Jason Taylor play because it SHOULD have been a return for touchdown, but for an inadvertant whistle blow. I actually agreed with that call. The player hadn't actually established possession yet to where he could be ruled as being down with a dead ball.

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

The only one I can remember was the Jason Taylor interception last year against Tampa Bay, where it looked like the receiver (Michael Clayton?) was down, but they ruled he did not complete the catch. Though that was very similar to the Calvin Johnson play.

The Packers one was iffy, but ultimately a dumb rule that was the correct call.

Of course, it's human nature to remember the bad more than the good.

that's a good one (for us anyway)

Last season Jason Taylor (ugh) had a questionable interception against the Bucs.

edit: Beaten to it.

"mroz wrote:

I have been thinking since Sunday and can not recall an instance in which there was a blown call that went the Fins way. So, I have to ask you guys for some help. When was the last time there was a game changing boneheaded call that went the Fins way?

How about the no-call when both Yeremiah Bell and Carlos Dansby made illegal contact in the endzone with Hines Ward? Stop playing the victim game because it's getting to be pathetic.(Not you personally, just everyone thats now focusing that the refs are out to get us)

"ckparrothead wrote:

Actually I would say Miami got screwed on that particular Jason Taylor play because it SHOULD have been a return for touchdown, but for an inadvertant whistle blow. I actually agreed with that call. The player hadn't actually established possession yet to where he could be ruled as being down with a dead ball.

It was close, REAL close. I watched that replay a good 10 times when I got home from the game, and think it could've gone either way.

Here's the play in question:

http://prod.www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81434202/WK-10-Can-t-Miss-Play-Controversial-Review

Now, there was contact by the defender. In Calvin Johnson's case, there was no contact meaning he had to complete the catch by getting up with the ball (still a dumb rule).

So IINM it should've been down by contact. Or I could be wrong. I really have no clue how the NFL determines rules.

I recall one game not too long ago that the Replays weren't working, and we got bailed out by that because I believe Bess caught a ball on 3rd down without getting both feet in, but it was ruled a catch.

Was that this season? Maybe against the Bills? Man my memory is so terrible...

"SeanP wrote:

I recall one game not too long ago that the Replays weren't working, and we got bailed out by that because I believe Bess caught a ball on 3rd down without getting both feet in, but it was ruled a catch.

Was that this season? Maybe against the Bills? Man my memory is so terrible...

You're right. I think it was last year against Carolina.

Close enough that if I were a Bucs fan I might feel differently but ultimately I would have officiated that call one way and the Calvin Johnson call another way. I felt that Calvin Johnson demonstrated enough degree of control with the ball throughout the process of the catch and showed that when he went to ground and the ball didn't move and then he actually moved the ball, in full control, with one hand while on the ground. That to me is 'through the process of the catch' by virtue of making a second controlled act with the ball after you've already hit ground. To me, on the Buccaneers INT, the receiver didn't do that. He fell to the ground as he was catching the ball and by definition it was literally impossible for him to have had legal possession before he hit the ground. He lost the ball as soon as he hit the ground, didn't survive with the football under his own control long enough to have demonstrated that he had the ball throughout his entire fall to the ground.

I think they got it right on the Bucs game, got it wrong on the Lions game.

very colorful game::yes:

1) Sunday's loss, 23-22 meant Miami became just the sixth team in NFL history to begin the season 0-3 at home

2) had Sparano gone for the extra two points ( and made it) when he had the opportunity, the fumble would have resulted in over-time, not a loss. couldn't figure out the logic of settling for one point when we were behind two. that decision was the game breaker that sealed our fate & ultimately set us up to lose. it was a bad call by the coach, not the referee that lost the game. we could have won it in overtime

3) everybody gets good breaks & bad breaks in a game. good or bad coaching usually makes the real difference in the outcome of a close game, especially when its played at home

no more excuses:no:

"SeanP wrote:

I recall one game not too long ago that the Replays weren't working, and we got bailed out by that because I believe Bess caught a ball on 3rd down without getting both feet in, but it was ruled a catch.

Was that this season? Maybe against the Bills? Man my memory is so terrible...

I think it was against the Jets this year. Not sure it was a situation where the replays weren't working, I thought Rex Ryan just didn't challenge it.

But ultimately, it was a bad call. You're right.

"the 23rd wrote:

very colorful game:
1) Sunday's loss, 23-22 meant Miami became just the sixth team in NFL history to begin the season 0-3 at home
2) had Sparano gone for the extra two points when he had the opportunity, the fumble would have resulted in over-time, not a loss. couldn't figure out the logic of the call. it was a game breaker that sealed our fate & ultimately set us up to lose. it was a bad call by the coach not the referee that lost the game.
3) everybody gets good breaks & bad breaks in a game. good or bad coaching usually makes the real difference in the outcome of close games

This can't be right. You mean 6th team to start 0-3 at home and 3-0 on the road?

"the 23rd wrote:

2) had Sparano gone for the extra two points ( and made it) when he had the opportunity, the fumble would have resulted in over-time, not a loss. couldn't figure out the logic of settling for one point when we were behind two. that decision was the game breaker that sealed our fate & ultimately set us up to lose. it was a bad call by the coach, not the referee that lost the game. we could have won it in overtime

no more excuses:no:

and if we dont get it, we're not winning the game, and not in any position to win in regulation. to many people are way to critical. Football isnt madden, there's a reason no one goes for 2 pts all the time.

fact: by losing to the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday, 23-22, the Miami Dolphins became just the sixth team in NFL history to begin the season 0-3 at home
number two & three are infinitely more important & revealing than the first statement

"CitizenSnips wrote:

and if we dont get it, we're not winning the game, and not in any position to win in regulation. to many people are way to critical. Football isnt madden, there's a reason no one goes for 2 pts all the time.

we were playing at home & would have had the edge with the referees after that obviously very bad call & could have won in overtime. Sparano made the game ending call, the only one that was within our power to control. the guy is incompetent. his job was to put us in a position to win & he didn't. there was absolutely no reason not to go for two points. in the end, it was to cost us the game

"the 23rd wrote:

2) had Sparano gone for the extra two points ( and made it) when he had the opportunity, the fumble would have resulted in over-time, not a loss. couldn't figure out the logic of settling for one point when we were behind two. that decision was the game breaker that sealed our fate & ultimately set us up to lose. it was a bad call by the coach, not the referee that lost the game. we could have won it in overtime

You are off topic 23 but I'll bite.

Not sure we would have won in OT because that is speculation but you are right. We should have went for two when it was 17-15. I said it in the game thread but was told we shouldn't chase points. I thanked the moron who responded and went on my way. That was a stupid coaching move not to go for two there because one point doesn't help you. :up:

Friend Killerphins:
the thread was on the "Blown call in Dolphins favor?"
I replied:

very colorful game::yes:
1) Sunday's loss, 23-22 meant Miami became just the sixth team in NFL history to begin the season 0-3 at home

2) had Sparano gone for the extra two points ( and made it) when he had the opportunity, the fumble would have resulted in over-time, not a loss. couldn't figure out the logic of settling for one point when we were behind two. that decision was the game breaker that sealed our fate & ultimately set us up to lose. it was a bad call by the coach, not the referee that lost the game. we could have won it in overtime

3) everybody gets good breaks & bad breaks in a game. good or bad coaching usually makes the real difference in the outcome of a close game, especially when its played at home

no more excuses:no:

my answer was appropriate however unpleasant
it was about the blown call & all its ramifications

"CitizenSnips wrote:

and if we dont get it, we're not winning the game, and not in any position to win in regulation. to many people are way to critical. Football isnt madden, there's a reason no one goes for 2 pts all the time.

If you don't get it it is still 17-15 and you can win with a field goal. If you get it you tie the game. We went for one and it was stupid. One point doesn't help you. Watch football much?

please. no more excuses. there is a decision-maker & the buck has to stop somewhere.
bad decisions usually result in loses.
it is what it is. you want to win? make the right decisions or find someone who can get the job done.

when Bill Parcells walked out the door & said what he had to say, seems like no one was listening.
as unkind as his words were for Henne, his actions spoke volumes about his opinion of the HeadCoach

"the 23rd wrote:

very colorful game::yes:

1) Sunday's loss, 23-22 meant Miami became just the sixth team in NFL history to begin the season 0-3 at home

2) had Sparano gone for the extra two points ( and made it) when he had the opportunity, the fumble would have resulted in over-time, not a loss. couldn't figure out the logic of settling for one point when we were behind two. that decision was the game breaker that sealed our fate & ultimately set us up to lose. it was a bad call by the coach, not the referee that lost the game. we could have won it in overtime

3) everybody gets good breaks & bad breaks in a game. good or bad coaching usually makes the real difference in the outcome of a close game, especially when its played at home

no more excuses:no:

WTF...have you seen our redzone offense this year? And you want to go for 2 point conversions in the second quarter? And you think this is the reason we didn't go to overtime and being the game breaker and decision that sealed our fate?

Are you related to Sparano by chance?