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Billy Turner - Proof of how bad we were?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    Versatile....

    Either Billy Turner's getting tossed had a revolutionary effect on him, or the Dolphins staff were horrible in developing/using him...
     
  2. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  3. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    It's not entirely uncommon for guys to thrive in a certain system and fail in another. Especially along the line where scheme and the guy next to you matter a heck of a lot.

    Not to say he got the best coaching here but I'm not sure his success is a product of himself being world's better.
     
  4. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    i mean his OL coach was removed from the org bc he was a crack head.
     
  5. Fame

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    It's easy to assume that every other team is smarter than the Dolphins, but it's not necessarily true. We need to keep perspective on the fact that other teams make stupid decisions all the time.

    Just because the Packers handed Turner some cash, doesn't mean he's all of a sudden a great player. It could just mean the Packers made a mistake. We just always have the tendency to assume we're the ones making the mistake.

    Additionally, it no longer matters. Value is all that matters at this point, so a lot of these decisions going forward may have more to do with money than with talent.
     
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  6. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    It's true that this could be a blunder by the Packers. However, the fact that he was discarded as simply a useless turnstile and now is regarded as versatile and worthy of a pickup even before FA properly begins is at least worthy of note.
     
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  7. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    I agree it's not ideal, but when I think of Billy Turner I don't necessarily think of the coaching scheme being the problem. Maybe the Packers saw something different, and good for them if they do, but what I saw was Turner being physically dominated on a regular basis. Not sure how much we can blame the coaching for that.
     
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  8. Finatik

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    I saw him play. He was a turnstile. Anything else is revisionist history.
     
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  9. Unlucky 13

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    He was truly awful as a Dolphin. There were likely multiple reasons for that. But I'm not going to wish that we had him back.
     
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  10. Not So Fast

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    PFF has him ranked as their 33rd best guard in 2018 which is average.
     
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  11. Pauly

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    But with the Broncos he was solid. I wouldn’t go as far as saying good, but held his own and was basically invisible, which is not a bad thing for an OL.

    The question becomes why was he so terrible for us, yet perfectly adequate for another team? The OL situation in Miami has been a joke for over 5 years, that’s on the coaches/organization not the players.
     
  12. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    On the offensive line the guy next to you impacts your play as much as you do.

    Maybe their unit is just more cohesive.
     
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  13. mlb1399

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    It’s the old chicken vs the egg discussion. Were we bad at drafting or developing players? Probably both imo
     
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  14. Unlucky 13

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    I would say often average at drafting (not good), while very, very bad at developing them.

    I'd say the easiest way to look at this is to think about players that Miami drafted that might have been a lot better had they ended up somewhere else. And vice versa, had so & so been drafted by Miami, he likely wouldn't have ended up being as good as he actually is.

    Sadly, the Dolphins have been bad place for rookies to end up for a long time. We all want that to change.
     
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  15. Finatik

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    I saw him get out muscled and run over. Looked clueless. You can blame it on the coaches is you want but maybe him getting cut light a fire under him. Ranked 33rd best guard is not great. SO he took a step from turnstile 3 plays a game to turnstile once a game.
     
  16. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Considering there are 64 guards starting at any given point, 33rd may not be great but it's not awful.
     
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  17. Carmen Cygni

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    Turner was always a good run blocker, and needed to improve his pass pro technique, which never happened under our previous coaches. IMO, Turner should have never been cut along with Dallas Thomas who was a true detriment. Just one of many of Gase's failed power trip moves.
     
  18. Pauly

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    Well I do think that cutting Turner was justified in that it did help turn the season around and have the players show more accountability. I think it was about the only Gase power trip that genuinely worked. However, getting to the point where we had Turner, Thomas and Douglas (?) all performing so poorly for so long was inexcusable. Also the fact that the attitude change lasted less than a full season also shows poorly on the coaching staff.

    I remember people who knew OL play commenting that we were playing Turner out of position which was affecting his pass pro.
     

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