Better late than never??

Harbaugh has won a lot of games and yet he's having major friction with his bosses, what do you attribute that to?

 

Money/greed/human nature. A lot of cooks in the kitchen, and everyone wants the credit.

 

Oh, which question - this one?

The reason I didn't answer that question is because of the part YOU ignored. The part where I stated I've never said the terribly negative things about Joe Philbin that you've claimed I've said. Since you have painted a view I never had, I don't have to answer your question that doesn't apply to me. If you really want an answer, here you go -

I don't think Joe Philbin is a terrible coach. I've never even said he sucks as a coach. Also we have a pretty damned good QB in Ryan Tannehill. That's how the team got to 8-8 and nearly made the playoffs.

Are you happy now?

Now - I've answered your question - get digging on anything I've said here that even remotely hints that I think Philbin is just as bad as Ireland. When you don't find anything, I'll accept your apology for putting words in my mouth. When you skip that step, we'll know who really is lacking integrity.

As far as being cowardly in real life, no, I am not a coward. But then again I don't make it a habit to have nonsensical discussions with emotional, unhinged people in real life.

 

Would you be OK with giving him control over personnel? I ask b/c I don't think he'd even consider Miami otherwise.

 

It is not my preference, but it is certainly better than most alternatives.

 

I agree with this. It would be a risk to give Harbaugh personnel control and I agree he would probably want it in order to come here, but I think it's a risk worth taking based on his past results.

 

well, i believe philbin sucks as a coach and i stand by that? i have repeatedly asked the question: what does he do well? no one can give me a damn answer. therefore, i take it that most people think he sucks too. would i take harbaugh over him? hell yes. can anyone name me one aspect of coaching that joe philbin does better than harbargh?

as for the question of how we went 8-8 when we have such a horrible coach...i believe we won because THIS team has talent. we won in spite of having an offensive coordinator who didnt know what the hell he was doing, an offensive line coach who contributed nothing, and a head coach who hides in his office instead of monitoring his locker room and is useless on gameday on the sidelines. i was one of the few who didnt celebrate when ireland got fired this year (go back through that thread and i didnt even comment because i wasnt going to be satisfied unless philbin went with him). any of the years before, i would have been ecstatic because he never brought in playmakers. this year, he brought in mike wallace, brent grimes, drafted the top defensive player, and ellerbe who was really good in 2012. that was a major upgrade in playmaking. it should have been enough to win a minimum of 10 games. why didnt we win 10 games? coaching. people can blame the offensive line all they want, but the team that just won the superbowl did just fine with a crap offensive line. good coaches can mask weaknesses.

 

Nah, it's just two guys who would praise a floating turd if it had a Dolphins logo on it.

 

If we can get Harbaugh you get him and make up for the mistakes that we Dolphin fans have gone through.

 

How about offering Trent Ballke the VP of football ops position instead?

 

That would be nice. If Harbaugh would be available, (which like Stringer, I don't think I buy into that idea as much as some) you have to make a push for him. Unless Philbin does great this year.

Nightmare scenario - Harbaugh available and interested; but Philbin does just good enough that Ross is convinced to keep him. Maybe 9-7, no playoffs, but still an improvement. Of course, to be nightmare scenario, Philbin would have to then continue to not improve, and Harbaugh would have to light it up somewhere else.

Or Miami could Drew Brees it again. Philbin strokes out, gets fired. Ross becomes enamored with some other candidate who is viewed as being just as sexy as Harbaugh (the Daunte Culpepper if you will) and goes that route instead. Harbaugh goes on to win superbowl with another team.

 

Don't know anything about him. Generally speaking, I think talent evaluation is pretty overrated in the context of success however.

 

Ehh, you're just an Ireland-loving homer

 

Fine, if you truly believe what you're saying about Philbin......then why would you want to bring in Harbaugh?

In Philbin, we have a coach that guided a team full of horrible basement dwelling talent to knocking on the door of the playoffs after having beat 4 of the teams in the AFC playoffs OR a coach who has coached what many people consider the second most talented roster in the league all while pissing off everyone he works with so bad they want him gone? He pissed all those people off by being the same kind of d-bag you hated Ireland for, btw.

 

I dunno much about him either but San Francisco has a pretty stacked roster, arguably more talent than any team in the league. You said earlier that Harbaugh probably won't become available, if that's the case then maybe it's because he won a power struggle with the GM a la Philbin vs Ireland and Ballke is the one to leave. If that scenario plays out would you be interested?

 

lol...that's the first time i've ever been accused of that. i hated him for a very long time because he didnt get us playmakers. i couldnt be mad at him this past offseason. he got us the fastest wr in the nfl, a pro bowl caliber cb who causes turnovers, a young tackling machine at middle lb, and the top rated defensive player in the draft. if our coaching staff had a clue of how to use them, we could have easily won 10 games.

 

I don't think acquiring talent is nearly as valuable a skill as coaching. Most research indicates that nobody acquires talent at a consistent rate.

 

Yes. In a heartbeat. That team is stacked to the gills.

 

Agreed, the coaching staff screwed the pooch big time last year and for the most part it flew under the radar because everyone was so fixated on the GM.

 

I agree, players > coaches > execs. I don't believe in genius GMs or coaches, but I do believe that the two need to be on the same accord for the most part. I just thought it was an interesting situation considering what just happened in Miami and wanted to get your take on it.

 

If it were up to me, talent evaluation would essentially be crowd-sourced.

 

Yeah, they really are.

Right or wrong, I can see why some of their front office people think they could get by w/o Harbaugh.

 

Saw the poster and thread title, and immediately thought "necrophilia"...

...so Disappoint.

 

Harbaugh rubs me the wrong way. I have never liked him. But he does appear to be a very good coach. I don't like Philbin either and don't think he's a good coach, so if Harbaugh is the guy that can get Philbin fired, I'd be OK with it. I personally didn't like Saban, JJ or Parcells either, but having them didn't diminish my love for the team.

It does seem like there was something to the Cleveland rumors and some real discussions were had. I believe that SF would trade Harbaugh -- if there is as much friction there as indicated and they have no way to keep him when his contract expires, they may as well try to get some compensation for him.

 

The answer to that question, let me use an analogy: I really like a good cheeseburger. But I love chicken wings so much more. Philbin = cheeseburger, Harbaugh = chicken wings. I can have a preference towards Harbaugh without hating Philbin or thinking he is a terrible coach.

I'll acknowledge - sure, there is chance maybe it has more to do with personnel in San Fran. Maybe Harbaugh is getting too much praise. Maybe. It's still my belief that given their body of work to date, it would be crazy to choose Philbin over Harbaugh if a realistic chance to acquire Harbaugh presented itself. Absent and amazing 2014 by Joe Philbin, which is not out of the realm of possibility.

I don't know what to make of Philbin right now. As I've said, if I looked at it in a vacuum it's my opinion he's earned a 3rd year. But the way things ended in 2013 and some of his handling of the scandal is questionable. It also cannot be ignored, IMHO, that his being retained played a role in what I considered to be a disastrous GM search. But he's the coach, and I continue to have hope that he can be a successful NFL coach for our Miami Dolphins.

See Fin, that's the kind of debate you and I have had in the past that can be productive, fun and non-hateful.