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  1. PeaTearGriffin

    PeaTearGriffin Season Ticket Holder

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    I got a trade offer and im trying to decided if its good for me or not.

    Pujols for Derrek Lee, Matt Kemp, and Ervin Santana

    I have the last 3

    the format is rotisserie and the stats for batting are: R, H, HR, RBI, SB, Total bases, E, AVG, and OBP. For pitching: IP, W, CG, SV, K, HLD, ERA, and WHIP.

    My team looks like this: (Max 162 games @ each postion)

    C: McCann
    1st: Lee
    2nd: Phillips
    3rd: Miggy
    SS: O-Cabrera
    OF: Markakis
    OF:Kemp
    OF: Victorino
    UTL: Howie Kendrick
    BENCH: Soriano (should be back soon)

    Pitching: (2000 total IP max)
    Billingsley
    Kazmir
    Kerry Wood
    K-rod
    Broxton
    Linebrink
    JC Romero
    Pelfrey
    Ervin Santana
    King Felix
    Derek Lowe
    Wainwright(not sure when he'll be back)

    So what do you guys think about this trade? should i do it?
     
  2. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I say no for a couple reasons.

    1. Albert Pujols (even if healthy) is not going to overshadow D. Lee's numbers by that huge of a margin IMO. Lee plays in a VERY hitter friendly ball park and has had decent numbers the last few years when healthy.

    2. Because of Point #1, its not worth giving up arguably your best starting pitcher for Albert.

    I think your trade partner is getting the better of the deal. If it was one of your 2nd tier pitchers or he was offering a guy like Hanley who fills up more stat categories Id say maybe, but Id have to decline his/her offer.
     
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  3. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Definitely do not take it. The difference between Pujols and Lee are not as big as losing Kemp and Santana. People are suddenly accepting stupid trades today. I have no idea why. Don't be one of them.
     
  4. PeaTearGriffin

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    yeah im shying away from it but kinda needed that little extra support..when you see the name pujols in the trade you really need to think about it. i think if ervin wasn't in it i would pull the trigger.

    I love matt kemp but im not really worried about losing him because i have soriano coming back.

    I am currently in 2nd place and im trying to decided if there is something i need to upgrade(that is realistic). Kendrick and Victorino are my weakest hitters however im not going to get matt holliday for them. So im not sure what to do
     
  5. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Honestly, just wait for Soriano to return. And if you're gonna trade a pitcher for a batter, find someone who has a poor pitching staff.

    Actually, I have seen a Victorino and someone similarly as bad as Kendrick for Holliday get accepted today, so start sending out stupid trade offers, apparently they're getting accepted or someone switched the reject button with the accept button.
     
  6. DonShula84

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    You'd be giving up way too much. Pull Santana out of the deal and then it'd be better.
     
  7. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Did you join the Bills Zone league?
     
  8. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    More like the all-Taiwan and all-homers random public leagues.
     
  9. Boik14

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    I would take it. Lee is not one to be counted on as he is injury prone. Kemp is going to lose playing time because LA will have 4 OF's for 3 spots once Pierre gets healthy. And frankly, while I like Santana, hes the only chip out of that bunch i really like. Pujols is Pujols, and with Soriano back on the 24th, its a no brainer to me.

    If you want to push it, counter it, include Kendrick's injury prone butt and see if you can get a hitter upgrade at the util spot and grab a couple FA pitchers to stream.....
     
  10. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Don't tell me you're the one who offered the trade, because it's absolutely horrible if it's only Pujols. :lol:

    You can count on Lee. He's played 150 games last season and all of this season while only being injured ONCE in 2006 in a freak accident no one but Superman can bounce back quickly from, and that has since been fully recovered. Being injured once doesn't mean you're injury prone. Hardly. Otherwise you can throw Pujols in there too for missing time this season, making it moot.

    Kemp losing playing time to Andruw Jones or Juan Pierre? The RBI leader and one of the few if any power hitters of the team for a guy batting less than .200? If Torre really does that, he should be put to pasture. I think it's Pierre and Jones/Ethier that would be alternated based on matchup. Kemp is too valuable to the Dodgers to be put on the bench for multiples stints. When Soriano gets back, dump Kendrick and find someone else for the bench.

    But if you still want Pujols for whatever reason, then take out Santana and Kemp (unless you ask for a decent outfielder or pitcher in return) and include Kendrick or a lower-tier pitcher like Lowe.
     
  11. Boik14

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    Actually Lee is not reliable at all. Whether its a fluke or not it doesnt matter because as an owner in fantasy all that matters is that he misses 15-30 games a year most years. If its a keeper league I would say no because long term I like Kemp. But in a 1 year league, no problem.

    As far as Kemp's situation for the rest of this year:
    With furcal out, someone has to hit leadoff. Kemp hasnt shown the best plate discipline to handle the role and is more of a middle of the order bat except hes been to inconsistent to hit there as well. So thats probably Pierre who is also making 10 million this year.
    Andruw Jones as bad as hes been is your only proven middle of the order bat. With their team in the middle of the NL west and 25 million more to pay the guy do they have a choice but to hope he regains form and starts hitting like Andruw Jones? Hes also your only proven power option.
    And lastly, youre not going to just stop playing Andre Ethier....

    Again, I wouldnt throw Santana in it unless I was getting more back but I wouldnt let it hold me up either...

    Edit: And no Im not the one who offered the deal. :lol:
     
  12. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    15-30 games in most years? Where do you see that? He missed time in 06 because of the injury but he only missed 12 last year (150 games played) and none so far (knocks on wood). Before the injury, he's played 158, 161, 155, 162, 158 in chronological order out of a max of 162. That's more than a lot of players. And Pujols missed 15 games this season so far (in fact, I've used Derrek Lee to cover 1B while he was gone this year...). Lee is reliable now. Cubs believe it, the experts believe it, and so should everyone else.

    I read the local papers here, there is no indication Kemp will miss any time. And he gives you RBI's and SB's (Pierre just gives you the latter). And he's been pretty good so far in the leadoff role and gradually earning Torre's respect. I think Andruw Jones is done. He had a poor hitting average now and it's even worse in Dodger Stadium. And it's getting worse, hard as it is to believe. Honestly, I'd send Shane Victorino out before Kemp.
     
  13. Boik14

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    Just because you havent read about the possibility of Kemp losing time it doesnt mean it doeant exist. I forget whether it was Rotoworld or Rotowire that did a feature about that situation about a month or so ago. And as bad as Jones has been, again theyre in the middle of a pennant race, they have no other middle of the order bat, and theyre committed for another 25 mil to him over the next year and a half. So theyre going to play him. And Pierre while he only gives you SB's at least has experience as a leadoff hitter where Kemp should never be used anyway.

    Lee has played 50 and 150 the last 2 years coming in to this. Hes good but hes only had 1-100 rbi season, not exactly heading for another this year, and generally hits about 30-40 points below Pujols BA. While Lee can put up 295-95runs-25-90-and 7-10 steals Pujols is generally around 330-110-40-120-7-10 steals. To me thats worth Matt Kemp especially since Roto favors quality over roster quantity when there are per game limits at each position.
     
  14. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Honestly, Kemp's been batting well and I feel no one in their right mind would give Kemp the boot for Jones. Jones will be played but will rotate with Pierre. Common sense dictates you don't bench Kemp. I just do NOT see Jones recovering to an already piss poor BA. And Torre will do the smart thing and trust Kemp.

    Right now, both Lee and Pujols are on track for similar stats. Pujols has the slight edge in HR and Lee has the slight edge in RBI's and on track for 100 RBI's. Looking at the rest of the roster, I'd rather dump Victorino off and keep Kemp for the Utility spot. A trade of Lee, Victorino for Pujols is fair in my opinion.
     
  15. Boik14

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    Theyre not on track for similar stats though. like you said Pujols missed some time with injury and averages more homers and rbi per game. Therefore he outproduces Lee.

    And its not just Kemp thats going to lose AB's. No one in that OF is a good bet right now. Jones is stinking it up, Pierre is a 1 stat fantasy player (maybe 2 the years he hits over 300 or has a good run production season), Ethier is ok but not great, and Kemp who is good is going to have some AB's lost. While I dont think it will be a platoon situation instead of playing 7 days a week I think kemp may only play 5 and I think that may be the case with all of them....
     
  16. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    But not by much. Not enough to compensate the loss of Kemp. If the other guy would be willing to take Victorino instead, then I'd do the trade. But Kemp + Lee is too much for a single Pujols especially when Kendrick is still on the roster.
     
  17. Boik14

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    Thats a matter of opinion regan, but I look at Pujols and Lee and its not really close. Theres a reason Pujols usually goes in the top 3 and Lee usually goes in the 4th-5th round.

    Pujols (This year-Career):
    BA:348-333
    Runs: 49-121
    HR: 19-40
    RBI: 50-123
    SB: 3-5

    Lee (this year-5 best seasons of his career):
    BA: 306-283
    Runs: 63-96
    HR: 15-33
    RBI: 56-93
    SB: 5-15

    For comparison purposes I only took Lee's 5 best seasons in every stat except BA and he still doesnt measure up to Pujols. The discrepency certainly warrants Matt kemp or Shane Victorino unless its a keeper because Kemp does have excellent value long term. Pujols beats him pretty bad in every stat except SB's and it gets worse if we include things like OPS.
     
  18. HardKoreXXX

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    Boik, are those numbers spread out over an entire season enough to justify also giving away his pitcher in Santana?

    I agree, if he can give up a 2nd tier starter than he should probably pull the trigger. I wouldnt worry about Kemp too much. (Sorry Coach)
     
  19. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Yea it is a matter of opinion. Maybe it's the Dodger shades but I value Kemp a lot. In the league's I'm in (yahoo), in terms of this season's average stats per game, Lee tops Pujols by a slight margin in terms of rankings (35 to 38). The gap widens when it's not comparing the average stats btw. I believe it certainly would warrant Victorino but I will waver on Kemp. I've followed him since the minors and I think he's due for a power blowout. SB's are icing on the cake. Putting Santana in the deal makes it even worse.

    It's ok. You're lucky ohiophinphan's not Catholic or you'd be getting the sharp-edge metal ruler about now. :wink2:
     
  20. Boik14

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    I said in the 1st post I made on the topic id keep santana in it only if Kendrick is in it as well and upgraded the util slot. That way its a win for both teams but you get two stud hitters.

    To me its worth Kemp and Lee. I suppose if you really felt strongly about Pujols having a monster 2nd half you could even justify keeping Ervin Santana in it seeing as how Pujols can go one of his tears and just kill the competition for a few weeks.
     
  21. PeaTearGriffin

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    now with how hot kendrick has been im not really sure what i should do now that Soriano is back...I also added Troy Tulo so ill be dropping O.Cabrera. My debate has been 1st who to move: Kendrick, Victorino, or even Kemp. 2nd what are they worth...i feel they all have value to not be dropped but i don't really know what i should expect in return. Even Cabrera is worth something since hes a top 12 SS but what could i get back?
     
  22. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Move Victorino first. Kemp seems to have gained Torre's confidence over Ethier so he'll be getting time in the crucial division race.
     
  23. Boik14

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    I would agree on kemp at this point.

    However I would move Cabrera and Kendrick as a pair for someone who needs a good SS. Maybe throw in a P if it gets the deal done. Kendrick you cant trust to stay healthy....
     
  24. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    That too but you don't want to put too much trust on Troy. When it becomes certain he's fully back and productive, then ship him out. SS's are hard to come by these days.
     
  25. PeaTearGriffin

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    thanks guys! :up: I'm going to look for some pitching help
     

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