Baker Mayfield

Pass. Give RTH and if he bombs, we should have a high pick next year.

"mlb1399 wrote:

Pass. Give RTH and if he bombs, we should have a high pick next year.

The issue with that is if we have a season similar to this one then we're no better off pick wise and hoping for another QB class to be good.

"Boomer wrote:

Yeah, but it would take a lot. I would suspect the best bet would be dealing Tannehill for picks. Arizona for the 15. Denver for the 5. Or by giving away future ones. I doubt very much he gets out of the first 6 picks.

I would trade tannehill if.gets mayfield!

"bigballa2102 wrote:

I bet they try and sling that 12th pick to get in front of Miami for a qb? watch!!! Miami will stand by and let everyone get signed and trades to happen without ever getting involved lol.

The Bills have all the ammo to move up to #2 if they want
#12-#22-#53-#56-#65-#96-#166-#187

"Boomer wrote:

That's simply not the case. Watch the games. He gets the same about of pressure as any QB and when he does get it, he deals with it. He has excellent feet and can extend the play and manipulate the pocket.

Nice to see your so high on the guy and we have a shot at him, trust your judgement here. Just hope if we land him he doesn't have to live in that 2 second and get rid of the ball OL world. I mean I wouldn't even feel comfortable with a Marino having to have to deal with that OL. And highly doubt there are any Marinos out there...
Damn thats like having a passing QB who has no accuracy.... Think this overhaul should have started with a big time upgrade of the OL...sacrificing most everything else this year...and at least having a future OL to not worry about whoever is back there ....I guess I'm just old school...

"Boomer wrote:

LOL.

Cant wait to hear why he's overrated.

He is very undersized, is not much of an athlete, and has a very average arm. He was more a product of playing with a lot of talent around him and in a great system. He did not play in a pro style offense and most of his throws were rinky dink short and intermediate stuff. He has not shown that he has an NFL arm.

My completely personal, subjective, take on QB's...

Mayfield no. Attitude is an issue. Best QB's are level headed, cool, intelligent, disciplined. Doesn't strike me that way.

Allen and Rosen - really not sure. Usual potentially good QB gamble.

Jackson - Have had a feeling he'll do well and be better than many expect.

If Miami draft a QB I hope isn't Mayfield.
I hope they don't move up to get one.
If they draft at 11 I want to see a certified talent.

Overall of like to see maximum value in this draft and hope to see them take advantage of some sort of scenario that appears to trade back and get two picks in the first. Lamar Jackson later on would intrigue me.

The other QB's I'd have to wait and see and if drafted at 11 hope they prove to be solid talent.

"Boomer wrote:

Mayfield is a terrific passer, hugely accurate and a leader.

And a winner.

He's been passed over because he was too small in HS and it bothered him so much that he went out and won a state championship.

He didn't get a single FBS offer so walked on a Texas Tech and all he did was beat out the starter and the back-up and his back-up as a true freshman to win BIG 12 Freshman of the Year.

After leaving TT he went to Oklahoma and was so good as the practice QB - because he had to sit out for a year under transfer rules - that Bob Stoops took him off the scout team because he was killing the first team defense. So he decided he'd get ready for the time when he'd win the starting job by being the best damn practice player the programme had ever seen. So he'd sneak onto the field so that he could go through the next day’s practice script. The security guards at the stadium would boot him out after a while but eventually they let him stay. So he would spend hours in the darkness on the field to picture himself leading the offense. Then he managed to get the security code for the indoor practice facility, so he started going there at night. He’d be out on the field by himself, calling out imaginary signals to his imaginary receivers so they could get open against the imaginary defense.

Then he beat out the incumbent starter and finished 3rd, 4th and 1st in the Heisman in three incredible seasons.

The stuff about off field are nothing. Yeah he got drunk and ran around a bit - the same as 99.9% of college students do every weekend. He planted a flag at midfield at Ohio State - I spoke to Lincoln Riley on the phone last week for a magazine article and he said he - Riley - "loved that". Don't overblow passion for anything else. He's as committed a player as people have been at the facility. I have a friend who used to play MLB for the Sooners when Kenny Stills was there: he's around the team a bit these days. Says that Baker changed the school and the team more than any player in generations.

He'd QB1 for me for these and lots of other reasons I could bore you stupid about.

"Boomer wrote:

Apparently they like Josh Allen

I'm assuming that for a QB to be successful in Buffalo (especially come Nov/Dec) they would need a guy with serious arm talent throwing into that kind of weather. So Allen would make sense.

"Boomer wrote:

That's simply not the case. Watch the games. He gets the same about of pressure as any QB and when he does get it, he deals with it. He has excellent feet and can extend the play and manipulate the pocket.

The kid has amazing footwork, which is why I'm so high on him (along with his passion for the game) and what separates upper echelon QB's from the middling ones.

"hitman8 wrote:

He is very undersized, is not much of an athlete, and has a very average arm. He was more a product of playing with a lot of talent around him and in a great system. He did not play in a pro style offense and most of his throws were rinky dink short and intermediate stuff. He has not shown that he has an NFL arm.

His system wasn’t designed to make those type of throws so we would have no way of knowing. What we do know is he is the most accurate passer and even if he was the least pressured, he still has the best numbers throwing under pressure. I can’t find the chart but someone posted here earlier how his numbers throwing under pressure barely drop off as opposed to the other 3 guys who’s qbr drops off drastically.

His completion % of 71.4 and his passer efficiency rating of 203.3 we’re both the highest in college football. His ball placement, poise, touch, accuracy, etc. are unmatched. A system can hide a players arm but not whether or not they can throw a beautiful pass. This is all subjective, but if you really watch with an unbiased mindset, I’m not sure how you can disagree.

"Boomer wrote:

Mayfield is a terrific passer, hugely accurate and a leader.

And a winner.

He's been passed over because he was too small in HS and it bothered him so much that he went out and won a state championship.

He didn't get a single FBS offer so walked on a Texas Tech and all he did was beat out the starter and the back-up and his back-up as a true freshman to win BIG 12 Freshman of the Year.

After leaving TT he went to Oklahoma and was so good as the practice QB - because he had to sit out for a year under transfer rules - that Bob Stoops took him off the scout team because he was killing the first team defense. So he decided he'd get ready for the time when he'd win the starting job by being the best damn practice player the programme had ever seen. So he'd sneak onto the field so that he could go through the next day’s practice script. The security guards at the stadium would boot him out after a while but eventually they let him stay. So he would spend hours in the darkness on the field to picture himself leading the offense. Then he managed to get the security code for the indoor practice facility, so he started going there at night. He’d be out on the field by himself, calling out imaginary signals to his imaginary receivers so they could get open against the imaginary defense.

Then he beat out the incumbent starter and finished 3rd, 4th and 1st in the Heisman in three incredible seasons.

The stuff about off field are nothing. Yeah he got drunk and ran around a bit - the same as 99.9% of college students do every weekend. He planted a flag at midfield at Ohio State - I spoke to Lincoln Riley on the phone last week for a magazine article and he said he - Riley - "loved that". Don't overblow passion for anything else. He's as committed a player as people have been at the facility. I have a friend who used to play MLB for the Sooners when Kenny Stills was there: he's around the team a bit these days. Says that Baker changed the school and the team more than any player in generations.

He'd QB1 for me for these and lots of other reasons I could bore you stupid about.

Yeah...Brees is too short too, huh?

"danmarino wrote:

Jackson most likely won't go until the 2nd round and that's only because this is a QB starved league.

Quite possibly. I put him in the same mould as Deshaun Watson and I think a few teams will have noted how effective he was until his injury and will be looking quite closely at Jackson. All in all, I don't think he'd be a Gase fit so I wouldn't expect him to land here anyway.

"Boomer wrote:

The stuff about off field are nothing. Yeah he got drunk and ran around a bit - the same as 99.9% of college students do every weekend.

That’s a negative, ghost rider. 99.9% of the college students at any given school are NOT charged with public intoxication, disorderly conduct, along with fleeing and resisting arrest. That is not typical behavior and something to simply be brushed under the carpet, because of the archaic idea behind “kids being kids.” That’s not standard routine by any stretch of the imagination.

That’s spinning a fallacious narrative because you’re enamored with a quarterback prospect in the NFL draft. Also, there’s the matter of Baker Mayfield grabbing his crotch on national television, and mouthing ‘F—-YOU’ at the Kansas sideline during their game. Lincoln Riley rightly didn’t start him for the game against West Virginia, and stripped his team captain status for that lovely little incident.

Now put this immature young man in the position of being the face of a franchise, and making millions of dollars. Certainly a gamble no matter what you argue, and given his checkered history.

He clearly still has some growing up to do, and needs to learn how to keep his emotions in check. I want no part of Baker Mayfield in a Miami Dolphin uniform. No thank you.

"mlb1399 wrote:

Pass. Give RTH and if he bombs, we should have a high pick next year.

Have a look at next year's QB class.

"Base of Gase wrote:

That’s a negative, ghost rider. 99.9% of the college students at any given school are NOT charged with public intoxication, disorderly conduct, along with fleeing and resisting arrest. That is not typical behavior and something to simply be brushed under the carpet, because of the archaic idea behind “kids being kids.” That’s not standard routine by any stretch of the imagination.

Jameis Winston, who raped a woman and stole food says hi.

"hitman8 wrote:

He is very undersized, is not much of an athlete, and has a very average arm. He was more a product of playing with a lot of talent around him and in a great system. He did not play in a pro style offense and most of his throws were rinky dink short and intermediate stuff. He has not shown that he has an NFL arm.

He's a) not VERY undersized b) he's more than athletic enough and c) average arm???? Are you talking about Curtis Mayfield or Baker Mayfield? Second highest velocity at the Combine and he overthrew a receiver 77 yards down the field last season. OVERTHREW him. Come on man. Be better. He absolutely wasn't a product of the system. Another utter misnomer. The NFL arm stuff is just absolutely ridiculous. Ridiculous.

"Redwine4all wrote:

Yeah...Brees is too short too, huh?

Tiny. No arm strength ;)

"Base of Gase wrote:

That’s a negative, ghost rider. 99.9% of the college students at any given school are NOT charged with public intoxication, disorderly conduct, along with fleeing and resisting arrest. That is not typical behavior and something to simply be brushed under the carpet, because of the archaic idea behind “kids being kids.” That’s not standard routine by any stretch of the imagination.

That’s spinning a fallacious narrative because you’re enamored with a quarterback prospect in the NFL draft. Also, there’s the matter of Baker Mayfield grabbing his crotch on national television, and mouthing ‘F—-YOU’ at the Kansas sideline during their game. Lincoln Riley rightly didn’t start him for the game against West Virginia, and stripped his team captain status for that lovely little incident.

Now put this immature young man in the position of being the face of a franchise, and making millions of dollars. Certainly a gamble no matter what you argue, and given his checkered history.

He clearly still has some growing up to do, and needs to learn how to keep his emotions in check. I want no part of Baker Mayfield in a Miami Dolphin uniform. No thank you.

Crikey, ever had any fun in your life? Jesus. It's pretty typical behaviour.

I'm not enamoured with anyone to the point where I don't look analytically. He grabbed his crotch on national television because Kansas players had a) refused to shake his hand at kick-off b) cheap shotted him in the 2nd quarter and then c) took a head shot at him in the third. I couldn't care less about it and nor could 90% of people.

No gamble, no chequered history. Emotions are part of sport. Sport isn't played by automatons.

Ghost rider THAT.

It was interesting what Neuheisel had to say about him at the beginning of the piece. When you watch him play, it's very true that he does have a knack for throwing it to where only his receiver can get it and throwing guys open. That would be huge in the NFL. Among many others, the pass at the 5 min mark over the middle is a great example. Pretty cool.

I guess if there is any concern with him, it would be the type of offense they ran at Oklahoma. They ran a lot of spread stuff and he rarely took snaps from under center. I know teams are running a lot more spread stuff in the NFL these days, but you still have to be good under center. I would still be happy if they drafted him. That just could be a concern if there are any.

"muskrat21 wrote:

Jameis Winston, who raped a woman and stole food says hi.

What in sam hell does that have to do with Mayfield, and what I quoted with Boomer stating: “the same as 99.9% of college students do every weekend?”

That’s right, nothing.

"Boomer wrote:

Crikey, ever had any fun in your life? Jesus. It's pretty typical behaviour.

I'm not enamoured with anyone to the point where I don't look analytically. He grabbed his crotch on national television because Kansas players had a) refused to shake his hand at kick-off b) cheap shotted him in the 2nd quarter and then c) took a head shot at him in the third. I couldn't care less about it and nor could 90% of people.

No gamble, no chequered history. Emotions are part of sport. Sport isn't played by automatons.

Ghost rider THAT.

Yeah, I’ve had a lot of fun in my life. That has absolutely no bearing on your asinine statement that: “the same as 99.9% of college students do every weekend.”

Have you ever had children in this life? It has about as much bearing as you asking me if I’ve had “fun” in life. I’m going to wager that you don’t have children, and the only responsibilities in your life revolve around yourself.

I’m sure that Mayfield’s parents were positively aglow when they found out he was arrested and tried to flee from the cops, and then making a complete fool of himself on national television. That’s really top notch stuff, and something to admire in your incumbent “leader.”

You can make excuses until you’re blue in the face, but that won’t change the facts or reality of what happened.

Let me reiterate it for you, 99.9% of the college students out there DO NOT find themselves on the wrong side of public intoxication, disorderly conduct, along with fleeing and resisting arrest.

Why are you lying?

"Boomer wrote:

Ghost rider THAT.

Was this last bit of flourish supposed to dissuade me from calling you out on your lies, condescending tone, or the childish notion that the rest of the world lives in your cute Petri dish?

Comical.

Ha Ha!! Boomer! Please don't let this crazy s--t deter you from coming into these threads. Ha! Holy s--t!

"Sceeto wrote:

Ha Ha!! Boomer! Please don't let this crazy s--t deter you from coming into these threads. Ha! Holy s--t!

Facts aren’t a scary concept.