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Article: why can't Miami score TD's anymore...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by cobrajet, Oct 26, 2010.

  1. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...-miami-dolphins-score-touchdowns-anymore.html


    "The Dolphins are at 15 games and counting under Chad Henne without exceeding the 25 points they scored against the lowly Tampa Bay Bucs last season. This year, their high output is 23."

    "The Dolphins have yet to put up a three-touchdown
    game this year on offense, and their last three-touchdown outburst with Henne actually playing more than a half — Tyler Thigpen led the comeback that helped them put up three TDs against the Steelers in the 2009 finale"

    I still say the problem with the Dolphins offense is Henne, but not his arm. It's his feet. He is so flat footed and slow the LB's are all in coverage, and when you have a QB that still insists on throwing the ball with LB's in coverage instead of running for the first down that's a second string QB.

    This is why Thigpen came off the bench in a Henne failure and scored so well. The LB's and the DB's had no idea what to expect from him because his feet were live. Henne is a great passer but is one dimensional and dead from the knee down.

    They either need to solve this issue with him or replace him with Thiggy. I don't think Thiggy is better than Henne but I think his feet and agility allow us to have a more diverse offense which is what we need. We are doing all we can do with a "stand-still" QB
     
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  2. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    Marino did pretty good for a guy that rarely ran with the ball. Just sayin'
     
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  3. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    ........and if you remember he never could have a running game because he was so slow with his feet the LB's were waiting for the RB in the hole. The last few years Marino was INT prone and deathly slow, and this looks like a repeat of the end days of Marino.

    Imagine if Sanchez stood still - what would you have? a loser.
     
  4. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    I did not know that.
     
  5. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think it has anything to do with that. It's all about redzone offense.

    First, we can't run the ball as well as we used to. It puts us in long 2nd and goal to go's. Second, we don't do a good enough job of trying to get Brandon Marshall the ball in those situations. The three times I remember, the Vikings game, the Jets game (last drive) and this past game (Steelers), both balls were poorly thrown to Marshall who had single coverage. The first ball, Vikings game was a poorly thrown ball. The second ball, was a play people thought Brandon was gassed, but I think it was still a poorly thrown ball, and third was a back shoulder fade that was a poorly thrown ball--too hard. Those are three Henne mistakes. He has to allow Marshall an opportunity to make the play. He didn't on any of the three pass plays in the redzone. Henne's accuracy in tight spaces is very inconsistent, whereas Pennington's is great.
     
  6. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's just flat out ridiculous. You're saying the reason Marino never had a running game was because he couldn't run? Or he couldn't move around?

    I'm not going to name the million QBs that have had a successful, power running game that were much more stationary in the pocket than Chad Henne and Dan Marino.

    You don't think it had anything to do with, not caring about a running game from a philosphy standpoint? Or poor RB personnel? Or that the offensive line was better at pass blocking? Any one of a million reasons other than Dan Marino couldn't move and the LB's were waiting for the RB in the hole.
     
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  7. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    ...and how many superbowls did he win? NONE! The game is too fast today. All QB's must be fast with their feet. The days of the "stand still" pocket passer who needs 6 seconds of protection in the pocket are dead!
     
  8. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    I see your point, but Sanchez doesn't have the skills and arm that Marino had. But no doubt Sanchez's feet are one of his better attributes.
     
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  9. ether79

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    Marino was a "stand still" passer? He had some of the best pocket movement and presence I have ever seen. How many Superbowls have been one with a QB that "moves" around alot recently? Tell me one....
     
  10. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Marino was a great passer but by nature he was one dimensional, his ball mechanics and his footwork in handing the ball off were terrible. Shula used to joke about it. Not to run down Marino at all, but the point is that Henne needs to rollout, play fake, bootleg, ball on the hip or anything that gets the LB's out of coverage. One dimensional QB's are a thing of the past. The game is too fast today.

    He has proven that he is a very accurate passer but this offense needs to come to life. An offensive play should conceal itself until it unfolds. This offense is too predictable because as soon as the ball is snapped the defense knows what it is. Henne standing is a pass and Henne crouching is a run. Henne is a LB's delight because he is so easy to read.
     
  11. MikeHoncho

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    Big TD's are always welcome.
     
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  12. NJFINSFAN1

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    The main reason is we can't run the ball, combination of poor blocking and poor RB play.

    The Marino was to slow to have a running game just had me laughing its so silly.
     
  13. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Didn't the Steelers win a SB pretty recently? Did their QB just run in a bootleg for a TD? The defense rests.
     
  14. Vendigo

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    The OP has a certain point. Unfortunaly, it's buried beneath a lot of nonsense. It is difficult to establish a consistently succesful running game if you have a great QB. See Indy. See New England. They've tried. And they've tried hard. QB dependant teams are easy to gameplan against when it comes to the run. However, that's not the case with Miami, at least not yet.
     
  15. NJFINSFAN1

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    Did Johnny Unitas run?

    Len Dawson?

    Joe Namath?

    Bob Griese?

    Jim Plunkett?

    Phil Simms?

    Kurt Warner?

    I can go on, the defense is unrested.

    Marino also had 9 QB sneaks for TD's
     
  16. NJFINSFAN1

    NJFINSFAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    We never really tired to get a running game with Marino, our runs were screens to Tony Nathan. Sure they talked about it, but we were a pass blocking team.

    Yes when you have a great QB, you use him more than the running game, it has nothing to do with the fact that he was slow.
     
  17. FinFan_Est.1984

    FinFan_Est.1984 Get Aggressive!!!

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    How about hopalong Manning, I mean Peyton Manning? He is an outstanding runner......not
     
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  18. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    I am going to guess you didn't really watch Marino all that much.

    Marino had 3% interception percentage for his career...
    1996 = 2.4%
    1997 = 2.0%
    1998 = 2.8%
    1999 = 4.6%

    The reason Marino had a 4.6% in 1999 (his last year) was b/c he hurt his shoulder against NE in game 5. He got pulled after throwing a lame duck interception on his 3rd pass that game. He missed 5 weeks and when he came back he threw "5" against the Cowboys and 12 overall in the final 6 games. He simply did not have the ARM strength and was rushed back into the lineup thinking Marino at far less than 100% was still Miami's best chance of winning.
     
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  19. ether79

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    I will give you the last one and a few scattered in amongst the years, but a majority are passers who 1 either have a stellar run game and defense, or 2. are amazing "pocket" passers. It was a bootleg, but it was a designed one, just like Henne runs at times, except Ben obviously is more comfortable looking down the field than Henne.
     
  20. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would prefer my qb to stand in the pocket and wait for a play to develop instead of taking off at the first sign of danger
     
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  21. ether79

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    Definitely the case, but I would say that the years those teams won their respective SB's it was due to several things, not just a great QB. The Colts defense was on fire during the playoffs the year they one, and they had a pretty established run game. Of course NE's wins were really on the back of their defense and a pretty good running game. Of course Brady made the throws when needed, and excelled at doing so.
     
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  22. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Brees - pocket passer
    Roethlisberger - fullback
    E. Manning - pocket passer
    P. Manning – pocket passer
    Roethlisberger again
    Brady – pocket passer
    Brady again
    Johnson – pocket passer
    Brady again
    Dilfer - pocket passer
    Warner - pocket passer

    Are you seeing a pattern here?
     
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  23. adamprez2003

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    fullback :lol:
     
  24. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Chad Henne must become Michael Vick or else.
     
  25. MikeHoncho

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    Doesn't this put the wolves in jeopardy?
     
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  26. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    That's just wrong.
     
  27. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    No...these type of dogs will tear him to shreds.
     
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  28. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Your comparing apples to Kumquats
     
  29. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Funny how the 23 point time line is in perfect sync with Browns injury.

    This is supposed to be a power running football team and the 0.5 TD/Gm this year from the running back corp is a much greater concern to me than the play of Henne.
     
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  30. Desides

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    I disagree with that. You or I could average 4.5 YPC rushing for the Pats or Colts.
     
  31. Ozzy

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    Running backs run the ball. Qb's throw the ball. Offensive lineman block for both. No running game has nothing to do with the Qb unless you want to say his handoffs are telegraphed.
     
  32. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    I love stats so I appreciate the article, but I think what Shulaboy is trying to say is that we have a methodical / powerful offense and we could use some deception and speed. I personally like scrambling QB's because you can do more with them but passing QB's are successful as well.

    We really could use a speedster to contrast Lou, Ronnie and Ricky. I have no idea why Cobbs is on this team aside from a guest appearance as a so/so KR. I think we should trade Cobbs for some speed and that would make a big difference in our backfield. It's great to have power backs but it's nice to have someone really fast to throw a screen to and have break away speed. I think that is what we are lacking.
     
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  33. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Ok guys, have it your way. Let Henne stand there with the ball and let the whole defense fade into coverage and see how many games we win in this boring predictable offense. The results are staggeringly crappy but by all means have it your way.
     
  34. finsincebirth

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    Isn't that what Drew Bree's and Peyton Manning and even Tom Brady do? Seems like they have won a bunch of games with that boring predictable offense.
     
  35. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Pocket passers win championships. It's really not debatable.
     
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  36. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You Club Member

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    I would say it's our poor interior run blocking more than anything.
     
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  37. finfaninilinois

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    i think those 3 are probably a little better than chad
     
  38. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    Because it's not true. This guy obviously never watched Marino play.

    Marino had some of the quickest, fastest feet of any QB that's ever played. It's true that Marino had a lot of great pass blocking O-Lines, but Marino was very elusive in the pocket and that was because of his quick feet. Defenders he played against used to always comment on how hard it was to sack him.

    Marino, until his achilles injury, was always near top in the league for having the least sacks. He, when healthy, was also never "interception prone" either.
     
  39. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    Here's one vote for worst post of the year.
     
  40. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    Please stop posting. I'm embarrassed for you. :pity:
     

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