Article discussing the Green Bay Packers receivers and route tree

KB21 · Feb 21, 2013

I find it funny that some of you think Brian Hartline shouldn't be kept because he only caught 1 touchdown pass last year, but at the same time criticize Miami for trading Wes Welker who caught 1 TD in 3 years in Miami.

Brian Hartline has his value range just like any other receiver, just like Mike Wallace has a value range. Brian Hartline has a couple of things that Mike Wallace doesn't have though. One, he fits the offense because he has position versatility and can play all three receiver spots. Two, he has a budding rapport with the young quarterback Miami is trying to build the team around.

jim1 · Feb 21, 2013

KB21 said:

I find it funny that some of you think Brian Hartline shouldn't be kept because he only caught 1 touchdown pass last year, but at the same time criticize Miami for trading Wes Welker who caught 1 TD in 3 years in Miami.

Brian Hartline has his value range just like any other receiver, just like Mike Wallace has a value range. Brian Hartline has a couple of things that Mike Wallace doesn't have though. One, he fits the offense because he has position versatility and can play all three receiver spots. Two, he has a budding rapport with the young quarterback Miami is trying to build the team around.

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Welker had 449 catches in the last 4 years, Hartline 183. Welker is so fast in and out of his cuts, doing his thing in the slot, that he's a matchup dilemma and more than worth his weight. Hartline is a guy who had a pretty good year on the back of one abnormal game. He's ok, but given his average speed and quicks, inability to consistently get deep, lack of TDs and his general status as less than a playmaker, is he worth building around and being given a big contract? Is he part of the solution or part of the problem? Somewhere in between imo. He's a decent #2 who hardly keeps defensive coordinators awake at night, I would think. He's a guy- he's supposed to be an attack player, Welker is a chain mover. 1st game of the year I think last year, I forget- Welker had a 99 yard TD against us at home plus a beautiful 1 yard TD reception from Brady- we couldn't stop him. If Hartline can't be stopped by the Patriots this year, that will be a first.

I don't particularly dislike Hartline, I just view him as a Kevin Curtis type (albeit slower) and a Brian Finnegan type form Cleveland years ago- a competent possession receiver- he's not a game changer, he doesn't have the clear cut value added component that Welker has given New England for the last several years. Bellichick said several years ago- we couldn't cover Welker so we signed him. I doubt that another coach says that or something similar about Hartline.
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ItsDFresh · Feb 21, 2013

I love this info, thanks for posting it. I agree that Jennings, Hartline and Patton would be PERFECT for this offense and make us legit right away. Regarding Robert Woods, before this season and the breakout of Marquise Lee, Woods was projected as a TOP 5 pick. He was the best receiver off the board in most 2013 mocks last year. Ill stand by my original opinion though that Jennings, Hartline and Patton would be my ideal WR corps this season with bess and matthews rounding it out. That would leave us a ton of room to address our other needs via the draft and FA.

ckparrothead · Feb 21, 2013

KB21 said:

I find it funny that some of you think Brian Hartline shouldn't be kept because he only caught 1 touchdown pass last year, but at the same time criticize Miami for trading Wes Welker who caught 1 TD in 3 years in Miami.
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The problem with that comparison is that Brian Hartline has been a significant part of the passing offense for 4 seasons. Wes Welker was only a significant part of the Dolphins' passing offense for 1 season. This touchdown thing for Hartline didn't just suddenly become a problem in 2012. It was a problem in 2010 and 2011 as well.

Brian Hartline has his value range just like any other receiver, just like Mike Wallace has a value range.
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You're right. And that value range is about $3.5 to $5.0 million. And not on a team that already has Davone Bess as a significant part of the pass offense.

ckparrothead · Feb 21, 2013

phinsational said:

Well if he continues with 1 per year for the next 4 years...... err did you mean 10 in one season?
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He's got 6 TDs in his career already. He could conceivably get to 10 TDs by 2015.

CD13 · Feb 21, 2013

phinsational said:

Well if he continues with 1 per year for the next 4 years...... err did you mean 10 in one season?
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1 TD as a starter is really bad, but in his defense there were a couple underthrown balls that should have been TD's...point is no one scares any team in red zone, Bess, Hartline, any of them. It is not the catches and moving the chains down the field it is getting in that endzone.

KB21 · Feb 21, 2013

jim1 said:

KB21 said:

I find it funny that some of you think Brian Hartline shouldn't be kept because he only caught 1 touchdown pass last year, but at the same time criticize Miami for trading Wes Welker who caught 1 TD in 3 years in Miami.

Brian Hartline has his value range just like any other receiver, just like Mike Wallace has a value range. Brian Hartline has a couple of things that Mike Wallace doesn't have though. One, he fits the offense because he has position versatility and can play all three receiver spots. Two, he has a budding rapport with the young quarterback Miami is trying to build the team around.

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Welker had 449 catches in the last 4 years, Hartline 183. Welker is so fast in and out of his cuts, doing his thing in the slot, that he's a matchup dilemma and more than worth his weight. Hartline is a guy who had a pretty good year on the back of one abnormal game. He's ok, but given his average speed and quicks, inability to consistently get deep, lack of TDs and his general status as less than a playmaker, is he worth building around and being given a big contract? Is he part of the solution or part of the problem? Somewhere in between imo. He's a decent #2 who hardly keeps defensive coordinators awake at night, I would think. He's a guy- he's supposed to be an attack player, Welker is a chain mover. 1st game of the year I think last year, I forget- Welker had a 99 yard TD against us at home plus a beautiful 1 yard TD reception from Brady- we couldn't stop him. If Hartline can't be stopped by the Patriots this year, that will be a first.

I don't particularly dislike Hartline, I just view him as a Kevin Curtis type (albeit slower) and a Brian Finnegan type form Cleveland years ago- a competent possession receiver- he's not a game changer, he doesn't have the clear cut value added component that Welker has given New England for the last several years. Bellichick said several years ago- we couldn't cover Welker so we signed him. I doubt that another coach says that or something similar about Hartline.
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The point is, the play of the quarterback has just as much of an effect, if not more, than the receiver in this situation. Brian Hartline has his issues with his ability to gain yards after the catch and whatnot, but he also hasn't played with stellar quarterback play to this point. Ryan Tannehill was a rookie this past season, and when the field was compressed, he didn't throw the ball as accurately as he did in other situations.

Wes Welker, in Miami, did not have stellar quarterback play. He didn't suddenly get better upon his arrival to New England. Take Tom Brady away from him, and Wes Welker isn't nearly as good.
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