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Armando Reporting We're Trading Up for Joe Burrow

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Mar 18, 2020.

  1. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    honestly, that’s what I’d prefer. I don’t want a tweaner QB who we’re married to for 4-5 years and we have to build an all world team around just to be able to compete at the highest level.

    If it takes one of the picks from Tunsil, Minkah and our #5 to get an elite QB, it’s worth it.
     
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  2. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    I hate seeing crap like this to be truthful.

    If we were trying to actually trade up or had plans to... All this does is drive up the asking price.
     
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  3. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    My fear is the asking price for us will be higher because we have the extra picks. With other teams, they can't ask for something they don't have. Hopefully, Grier won't take the bait.
     
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  4. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    Other teams have the means to complete a trade.

    It might mean a really high pick in next year's draft... But every team has something to trade away. The asking price in my opinion is not lower for other teams because they do not have extra picks in the first round this season.

    If the asking price for Burrow was two first round picks... ( For easy math ) Another team could give up a first this year... A first next year... and an additional pick... to make sure their offer is equal to that of the Dolphins offering two first round picks this year.
     
  5. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Armando is hardly a dolphins fan. His career basically says so. He’s just a guy that writes for a paper in south florida so him sending out made up information isnt beneath him, especially if he thinks he has the power to hurt the dolphins
     
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  6. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    That's a really great point. No one has the draft capital the 'Phins do, so the asking price for Greir & Company is gonna be higher.
     
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  7. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    True. Something else, I should have considered is that GM's want to keep a good working relationship with other GMs. There will be discussion, and things are thrown out there, but probably no crazy stuff. They don't want to burn any bridges because you never know when in the future you might need a trading partner. :-)
     
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  8. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I know I said that, but I am not sure if I am correct on this or not. You would think that they would ask for all 3 1sts, but that may be insulting to Grier. I don't know how things like this work.
     
  9. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    It's all about supply and demand. It's also about good negotiating skills. From the holder's position you can never go back up (once you set your price), but you can always go down. So, why wouldn't they start out asking for the most they think they can get?

    In other words, how bad do you want it?
     
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  10. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Nowhere side wants to give a price. The first person to set the price is at the disadvantage, because you might have settled for less than you could usage gotten.
     
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  11. Duss

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    Stay put at 5 and draft Tua
    Otherwise is fot available stockpile talent and draft down if needed
    Then next year with a great roster all in for Trevor
     
  12. Wilkimania

    Wilkimania Active Member

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    So far it's been leaked that we've loved Burrow and Herbert. Everything is pointing Tua's way then.
     
  13. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    If we gave up three firsts to move up 4 spots in a draft... Someone needs to be fired.
     
  14. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    In a way...yeah, it really is.
     
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  15. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I disagree, not if you think Burrow is the next Montana or comparable name. We literally have two shots/seasons to land our franchise QB- is it Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love or Lawrence? Of all the names, Lawrence is likely the most expensive to acquire but if Miami thinks he's the guy, then so be it...but don't waste an early 1st this season on a QB you don't have a lot of confidence in. Trade back, pick up an extra 1st next season and get ready to make the move for Trevor.

    The same goes for Burrow though- if they really think he's the man, then now is the time to get your 12-year quarterback.
     
  16. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    I guess it depends on how much you think a QB has to do to be considered a Franchise QB?

    Tannehill just went nuts for the Titans and got them within a couple of plays of the superbowl. But nobody considers him to be someone you can win with... He was a top 10 QB in the NFL last year.

    So when you look at Herbert and Love, Burrow... etc... If we look at the reaction and the arguments made against Tannehill a top 10 QB... and then apply the arguments made that he is not good enough as a top 10 guy...

    Okay so how many elite NFL QB's are there in the league that ARE good enough?

    1. Rodgers
    2. Wilson
    3. Watson
    4. Mahomes
    5. Brees
    6. Jackson
    7. Ryan


    And this is generous because Watson and Jackson have not done **** in the playoffs to show they can win anything.

    Prescott??

    Using the logic we see here you are basically saying that you expect Love, Tua, Herbert, and or Burrow to all be better than Brees or Ryan

    Which is pretty unlikely. One of them might be...If they are extremely lucky... Play on good teams, with good coaches and avoid injuries.



    So many people improperly use the word Elite.

    In terms of the NFL being a top 10 QB does not make you elite... That just makes you above average. To be elite you would need to be one of the top 2 QB's in the NFL

    So if you are justifying trading three first round picks to move up 4 spots in a draft... The QB will have to be better than Rodgers or Brees...

    Remember Tannehill being a top 10 QB in the NFL is not good enough... That is the argument several keep making.
     
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  17. Etrius24

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    And the fact is that with Flores... Tannehill would absolutely be good enough to win... and make a push to get to a Superbowl. To get that level of play on a really well run team with a great coach...
     
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  18. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I think getting an elite QB is a hard thing to do. At this point, I have no idea if Burrow, Tua, Herbert, or Love could be or someone else will be elite. Why was Brady so successful? Why was Troy Aikman? Two QB's, one taken in the 5th round, the other 1st overall. People say Brady was a system QB. Now that he is in Tampa, we will find out, but I think it comes down to a few things. 1) He understands the defense and knows where to go with the ball 2) He is accurate 2) He is driven and very competitive. He has the IT factor. When the game is on the line, he is calm under pressure and can lead a team to victory. Now, when people think of Aikman, what do they think of? A game manager who was surrounded by a superior talent (OL, Emmit Smith, Michael Irving, and a very good defense).
    Elite QB or game manager? I think we can win either way. If we can get an elite, that would probably be the best way to go. In the meantime, while we are waiting for THAT special guy, we should continue to build the talent, especially the OL. That's what helped Tannehill this year. Get that OL going so our guy has protection, and we can run the ball when we need too. Couple that with the defense Flores is building and then, look out! We will be cooking with gas.
     
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  19. Etrius24

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    Oh, I agree... We are building the defense... We just brought in a dependable back... and we have added a couple of nice additions to the O line already.

    Great special teams.... A coach that has a plan... Stingy defense and an actual running game... Miami is going to start winning football games and be a tough game week in and week out.
     
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  20. Pauly

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    Yes we do
    http://www.footballperspective.com/history-of-trading-the-first-overall-pick-in-the-nfl-draft/
    5 times since the merger has the number 1 pick been traded for a QB (including Eli Manning and John Elway).
     
  21. Etrius24

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    Burrow has come out and publicly stated he would love to play for the Bengals... His parents house is an hour and a half away.

    Desperation for something to talk about is the only reason that foolish rumour got started.
     
  22. AGuyNamedAlex

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  23. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    One of these QB's is going to be a great one, one is going to bust, one or two are going to have long careers. It's a gamble, but if WE are in love with one of these guys, then we need to make it happen. If not, then I suggest trading back and acquiring more picks to use on the QB that we want. I personally will be happy with whatever we do. Going big and trading for Burrow is definitely an option that I am fine with. Staying put and taking Tua or Love or Herbert is also fine with me.
     
  24. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Considering how important, most of us are saying it is, to get an elite QB, what does it say about Burrow IF the Bengals are willing to trade him for any price? I mean, you really can't put a value on that if it is considered that having an elite QB gives a team the best chance to win.

    Note: Not directed at you or anyone in particular. Just a general thought.
     
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  25. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    That the Bengals are an incompetent organization?
     
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  26. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    LOL! I expected a reply with something along those lines. :-)
     
  27. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Top tier Defense 100% needed.
    Keep your defense off the field your odds are up.
    Control the ball (no turnovers)
    Keep penalties to a minimum.
    Clock management
    Play to you opponents weaknesses.

    Now with this in place yes Tannehill could very well win a Super Bowl. It drove me crazy watching the defense work their *** off to turn around with a three and out from the offense as a Dolphin . Titans did much better at getting those first downs.
    You must be capable to MOVE THE CHAINS be it run heavy or passing because if you can't do your part to help the defense your not going to win.
    That being said elite or not I believe Tannehill can be that QB.
    He's not here anymore and Fitzmagic is a temporary filler so we need a new young QB. Flores better shine on this draft or we are %$#@#*.
     
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  28. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Other than it just being "The Bungals" lol, I think they could possibly look at the situation as a 3 for 1 deal. True...They could be incredibly high on Burrow, but maybe Burrow isn't feeling Cincinnati quite as much? They may know this and decide that three first round picks for him is worth it. I mean....They could possibly walk away with Chase Young, an offensive lineman or other starter, AND a potential starting QB with those three picks. To me, if a player didn't want to play for my team and I held the cards to drafting him, then yeah....I would get all that I could for that pick. Burrow may be become an all time great QB (who knows), but it's all for nothing if he doesn't want to play in Ohio. In short, that is only way I see the Bengals trading that pick to us.
     
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  29. Etrius24

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    The proof is in the pudding...

    Gase went to the Jets they drafted a top QB at the top of the first round. They brought in a top 5 NFL workhorse running back and gave him half decent targets to throw to.

    Two years in under Gase Darnold does not look like a franchise QB... The Jets have sucked... Their offense has severely underperformed.

    Tannehill gets the **** out of Miami... With a top 10 RB and a half decent O line and starts playing out of his fooking mind. Leading a team to the AFC championship after winning 2 playoff games on the road and leading the NFL in several important categories.

    The problem was never Tannehill.... It was ****ty coaching and talent around him in Miami.
     
  30. resnor

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    When did our defense ever force a 3 and out? The offense hasn't been great, but the defense has not been able to get off the field for like 6 years.
     
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  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They had 2 in the last game against the New England Patriots
     
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  33. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yes, the defense improved under Flores. But I was just getting at I don't think the defense can really lay much blame at the offenses feet for their poor performance for years.
     
  34. Etrius24

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    If Burrow or Tua is a cannot miss Drew Brees type of player who will be a top 5 QB for the next 15 years... I would say hell yes.

    Anything less than that level... Do not trade up
     
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  35. mlb1399

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    I was on the Burrow train even before Tua got hurt. I’m ok with 2 1sts and 1-2 2nd/3rds if Cincy would take that. Not sure I’d be willing to give up 3 1sts
     
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  36. Irishman

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    While I agree in general, this draft is going to be somewhat unique in that many players won't be getting any pre-draft physicals any time soon. I suspect this will "muddy the water" in terms of who teams really want and the potential for an increased level of the "unknown" due to lack of communication that usually accompanies "due diligence" while we wait for the FLU to dissipate.

    Keep in mind we are likely to see some, or even many, players lose playing time for a part of the year due to this FLU. Then your teams need for depth becomes even more important then having a few key players - something like that QB who had mono last year, but with a lot more players being affected.

    I anticipate that teams will demonstrate a greater reluctance then usual to getting involved in splashy trade ups this draft for just that reason.
     
  37. djphinfan

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    Its really only giving up two first round picks, because your getting theirs, and your getting it much higher than 5
     
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  38. Etrius24

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    I would not call moving 4 spots in the Draft... Much higher.
     
  39. Silverphin

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    Still not a trade I'd make. We got too many holes to fill, and with only one team a threat to pick up Tua, if the worst case scenario is reaching a bit for Herbert or hoping to get Love or Hurts later on, then so be it.
     
  40. Etrius24

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    Hurts is the answer.....
     

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