Armando: Joey Porter has requested a trade

Peppers plays everything the run the pass, can act as DE in 4-3, can stand up as an OLB in a 3-4.....he is 3 years younger.....Porter really just rushes the passer, and even that is declining...there really is no comparison between the 2...

If he has any trade value, it's only because of the uncapped year. We may have lucked out on that front.

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

If he has any trade value, it's only because of the uncapped year. We may have lucked out on that front.

JP is worth at least a #4 pick, the RFA OLB's who can passrush will rate a #1-#3 tender offer, JP to meet the market would come in at #4 pick just outside of the top RFA's available but having a cheaper salary and no huge signing bonus.

Trade for JP and save 12 million bucks or more, if a cat like Dumervil moves he would land a 20 million dollar signing bonus imho that alone makes JP attractive to trade for..

I'm sorry but I still cannot forget the play on 4th down against the Jets. If you guys remember, they did a fake punt and Porter had the KICKER wrapped up and couldn't bring him down. So please don't mention Porter and Peppers in the same sentence.

"krypto wrote:

I'm sorry but I still cannot forget the play on 4th down against the Jets. If you guys remember, they did a fake punt and Porter had the KICKER wrapped up and couldn't bring him down. So please don't mention Porter and Peppers in the same sentence.

That was Brad Smith.

Declining play and injury concerns, combined with what is essentially him demanding to be traded is going to all but eliminate any trade value, IMHO. The Dolphins would be lucky to get a 5th or 6th rounder for him. But you know what...I'd take whatever I could get and deal him to the first serious suitor.

If we could just get back a 5th round pick (which we currently lack) for Porter I'd chalk that up as a win for our FO

"krypto wrote:

I'm sorry but I still cannot forget the play on 4th down against the Jets. If you guys remember, they did a fake punt and Porter had the KICKER wrapped up and couldn't bring him down. So please don't mention Porter and Peppers in the same sentence.

Three guys missed a tackle on that play.

You know, Julius Peppers is more hype than anything. He can play, don't get me wrong. But he doesn't show up...ever. At least Porter wants to start and play more and prove what he can do. Peppers just wants to get paid and then disappear for 16 games.

"padre31 wrote:

He would earn 5 million this season, but a guy like Julius Pepper's made 16 million in 09 and their sack production was about equal so there would be a market for Peezy this offseason.:no:

So you want to justify Porter's value because Pepper's sack production was almost equal to Porter's...Sorry but what you have are two over priced veterens.

Good luck finding a trading partner for Porter when teams are going to be purging there salaries

Keep posting Bud. I love your pics. Probably too much. lol

to all those who were wrong when they posted in the rome interview thread that porter wasn't asking for a trade. :lol:

It wasn't hard to see
i still think no one will bite and we end up releasing him

"Trowa wrote:

You know, Julius Peppers is more hype than anything. He can play, don't get me wrong. But he doesn't show up...ever. At least Porter wants to start and play more and prove what he can do. Peppers just wants to get paid and then disappear for 16 games.

huh?? how do u get that.....he as a lineman, had 11 sacks, forced 5 fumbles, recovered 1, and a pick 6!!!!!!! and that was by all accounts considered a bad year for him....

"finyank13 wrote:

huh?? how do u get that.....he as a lineman, had 11 sacks, forced 5 fumbles, recovered 1, and a pick 6!!!!!!! and that was by all accounts considered a bad year for him....

Well, I've watched Jpep for years (NC is my home team) and he does disappear for games at a time, as for his numbers v JP

10/10/33/23 10 sacks, 10 hits 33 pressures 23 tackles

Joey Porter's

9/5/11/26 9 sacks, 5 pressures (which imho is far to low)/11 hits 26 tackles

J Pepe was paid over 1 million per game, JP about 300k per game

22 more pressures over 16 games is slightly more than 1 per game more than Joey Porter for 700k in additional salary.

Based on that Porter does have some value don't you think?

"Killerphins wrote:

to all those who were wrong when they posted in the rome interview thread that porter wasn't asking for a trade. :lol:

It wasn't hard to see
i still think no one will bite and we end up releasing him

But that's the thing man. Joey never asked for a trade. And Armando wont back off the story because he want to say he was the first to report it when it happens. Yes, Porter is most likely going to be traded. No, he didn't ask for a trade. And no, Armando has no journalistic integrity. He's the kind of guy who would rather report it first and hope it's right than do his research. He's using the same source material for this article that everyone else saw on Rome yesterday and it's very clear that Joey never asked for a trade. There's a difference between stating your unhappiness at the way you were utilized in a defense that didn't help any one on our team to progress, and flat out stating I want out of Miami.

"padre31 wrote:

Well, I've watched Jpep for years (NC is my home team) and he does disappear for games at a time, as for his numbers v JP

10/10/33/23 10 sacks, 10 hits 33 pressures 23 tackles

Joey Porter's

9/5/11/26 9 sacks, 5 pressures (which imho is far to low)/11 hits 26 tackles

J Pepe was paid over 1 million per game, JP about 300k per game

22 more pressures over 16 games is slightly more than 1 per game more than Joey Porter for 700k in additional salary.

Based on that Porter does have some value don't you think?

No I really don't Pads IMO, and I value yours with mucho respect. I could care less about hurries/pressures, that just means your too slow to actually sack the QB....

He should be paid more, his much better, we will agree that both JP and Pep are both play-making defensive players...what I mean by that is, stuff other than tackles.....so putting tackles aside....

Porter in 11 years has had 10+ sacks in just 3 of those years......
Pep in 8 years, has had 10+ sacks in 6 of them.....

Porter has more Int's but he drops back in coverage too more than Pep, even with that he (Pep) has 2 pick 6's, including one this year, whereas Porter hasn't had a pick in 2 years...

Porter in the past 4 years has forced 6 fumbles recovering 1....
Pep in the past 4 years has forced 16 fumbles recovering 5....

Porter in the past 4 years has had (while dropping into coverage ALOT more than Pep) defended 12 passes...
Pep in the past 4 years has defended 20......

If Pep took some games off, with the above numbers? What do u consider JP doing.....??

I'm not advocating getting Pep, but there really is no comparison between the 2, he should have gotten more because he was alot better than Porter, and kept his mouth shut too as well, before this year, when he piped up a little about his contract situation...bottom line, I saw a JP this year who just looked inferior, and couldn't be counted on when it mattered most....the Pats Vollmer, a rookie LT filling in for Light, is a good place to start...go watch that tape, it is an embarrassment....

"Trowa wrote:

But that's the thing man. Joey never asked for a trade. And Armando wont back off the story because he want to say he was the first to report it when it happens. Yes, Porter is most likely going to be traded. No, he didn't ask for a trade. And no, Armando has no journalistic integrity. He's the kind of guy who would rather report it first and hope it's right than do his research. He's using the same source material for this article that everyone else saw on Rome yesterday and it's very clear that Joey never asked for a trade. There's a difference between stating your unhappiness at the way you were utilized in a defense that didn't help any one on our team to progress, and flat out stating I want out of Miami.

Cut...if he is traded...I'll start myself the finyank13 eats rotten poo thread.....hahahahah...listen I'd love a 6-7th for him, but I just don't see it...

"Trowa wrote:

But that's the thing man. Joey never asked for a trade.

The report is that Porter asked the Dolphins brass for a trade, not that he told Jim Rome he wanted to be traded, even though Salguero did report that too.

And Armando wont back off the story because he want to say he was the first to report it when it happens. Yes, Porter is most likely going to be traded. No, he didn't ask for a trade. And no, Armando has no journalistic integrity. He's the kind of guy who would rather report it first and hope it's right than do his research.

That's Omar Kelly and Mike "Web Weekend" Beradino. Salguero is a step up, but that's sort of like saying you're halfway out of the sewer.

"finyank13 wrote:

No I really don't Pads IMO, and I value yours with mucho respect. I could care less about hurries/pressures, that just means your too slow to actually sack the QB....

He should be paid more, his much better, we will agree that both JP and Pep are both play-making defensive players...what I mean by that is, stuff other than tackles.....so putting tackles aside....

Porter in 11 years has had 10+ sacks in just 3 of those years......
Pep in 8 years, has had 10+ sacks in 6 of them.....

Porter has more Int's but he drops back in coverage too more than Pep, even with that he (Pep) has 2 pick 6's, including one this year, whereas Porter hasn't had a pick in 2 years...

Porter in the past 4 years has forced 6 fumbles recovering 1....
Pep in the past 4 years has forced 16 fumbles recovering 5....

Porter in the past 4 years has had (while dropping into coverage ALOT more than Pep) defended 12 passes...
Pep in the past 4 years has defended 20......

If Pep took some games off, with the above numbers? What do u consider JP doing.....??

I'm not advocating getting Pep, but there really is no comparison between the 2, he should have gotten more because he was alot better than Porter, and kept his mouth shut too as well, before this year, when he piped up a little about his contract situation...bottom line, I saw a JP this year who just looked inferior, and couldn't be counted on when it mattered most....the Pats Vollmer, a rookie LT filling in for Light, is a good place to start...go watch that tape, it is an embarrassment....

You are missing the point Bro, I'm not suggesting JP is better than Pepe, I am saying that they do compare to each other, JP is somehow painted as some sort of washed up player and that is just not the case...at alll.

if one recalls, JP played 4 or 5 games with messed up hammy and knee, he still produced, never took himself out of games and was last seen falling on a forced fumble in the Steelers game that could have put us into the lead.

Put it this way, your a GM would you pay 3x more for a player whose production is 10% better?

"finyank13 wrote:

Cut...if he is traded...I'll start myself the finyank13 eats rotten poo thread.....hahahahah...listen I'd love a 6-7th for him, but I just don't see it...

Find a UFA who has JP's numbers who will work for 4.85 million bucks on a one year deal...they don't exist.

I like Ireland, last yr snatching a #6 from KC for Ndukwe and Alleman was a coup, he should get a #4 pick at least for Porter.

"padre31 wrote:

You are missing the point Bro, I'm not suggesting JP is better than Pepe, I am saying that they do compare to each other, JP is somehow painted as some sort of washed up player and that is just not the case...at alll.

if one recalls, JP played 4 or 5 games with messed up hammy and knee, he still produced, never took himself out of games and was last seen falling on a forced fumble in the Steelers game that could have put us into the lead.

Put it this way, your a GM would you pay 3x more for a player whose production is 10% better?

I wouldnt pay the price tag now that Pep wants, but for the last 4 years I would have paid the difference, Pep has remained largely consistent where Porter w/ the exception of 2008 has not...I'll take the consistent player over the hit or miss all day....Pep has dealt with just as many injuries as well...

"finyank13 wrote:

I wouldnt pay the price tag now that Pep wants, but for the last 4 years I would have paid the difference, Pep has remained largely consistent where Porter w/ the exception of 2008 has not...I'll take the consistent player over the hit or miss all day....Pep has dealt with just as many injuries as well...

*points to the 2007 season where Peppers completely dogged it all year long*

2.5 sacks in 14 games while blatantly not trying and giving up on his teammates is staying consistent?

"finyank13 wrote:

I wouldnt pay the price tag now that Pep wants, but for the last 4 years I would have paid the difference, Pep has remained largely consistent where Porter w/ the exception of 2008 has not...I'll take the consistent player over the hit or miss all day....Pep has dealt with just as many injuries as well...

That is the "Was" bro, Pepe made 16 million + in 09, do you think he will take a paycut?

JP will make 25% of what Pepe did for 80% of the production and both cats were nicked up this year, JP's hammy and knee were jacked up, Pepe broke his hand.

JP averages 9.2 sacks per season, his year last year was not as terrible as some would make it out to be, and he works cheaply, that is why he does have trade value and will be traded imho.

Tell ya what compare JP's 9/5/33 to JT's numbers in 07 and they had similar years, JT of course caused more fumbles but that is his particular talent.

JT (2007) 11 sacks/41 tackles/3 FF
JP (2009) 9 sacks/33 tackles/1 FF

And JP has no trade value?

The way I see it, a win now owner will offer a #4 pick, play JP in 2010, then cut him before the strike in 2011 as he would be 35 after the strike, rent him for a season like Charles Haley and C Doleman were rented in SF for a year.

"Trowa wrote:

*points to the 2007 season where Peppers completely dogged it all year long*

2.5 sacks in 14 games while blatantly not trying and giving up on his teammates is staying consistent?

why don't you just look at his career numbers as a whole, and especially w/in the past four years, he did have a horrible year no doubt....however just look that 3 sack year it is sandwiched between a 13 sack year previous to that, and an 15 sack year after that.....the guy in 8 years has had 10+ sacks a year in 6 of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes that is consistency....not sure what you don't get about that....