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Are Dolphins building for a different era?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by mroz, Oct 28, 2009.

  1. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    "At first, as Henning recently recalled, "I don't think we were that good at it." Even while finishing 11th in rushing in 2008, they didn't always appear committed to the style, a trend that continued into the pass-happy 2009 opener."

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-dolphins-skolnick-102709,0,7525422.column

    INteresting article, however I think that author missed the point. The Fins are a great running team because that is the strenght of their offense. When they get the other pieces in place they will evolve into a more balanced offense.
     
  2. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    IMO toughness applies to all eras. The mistake this team has made is failing to address the need for a big receiving target. It is one of the most important weapons in this era. It was actually one of the first things they looked for when they signed Wilford, but when that failed they haven't done anything more than draft Turner. I think it should have been a bigger priority. Hopefully they'll address it this coming off-season. I see it as the team's biggest need.
     
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  3. anlgp

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    I think the point of the article is that the once run happy NFL is now turning into a pass happy NFL. What he's getting across to me is that while we might be great at the run game it's not necessarily the trend of the league.

    I say the first thing that's important to a game is the score. The second is the clock. The third is the down and distance.

    You can control - control! - all of these more by running the ball, and running down your opponents. I realize that DBs get tired just as a line does, but if the line falters the rest of the team goes down as well.

    I say we continue to run it despite it being a pass happy league, and run it right down their throats.
     
  4. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    agree with overall premise though I might differ as to how high it ranks for our offseason needs. Clearly we need someone if Ginn cant be counted on.

    Bottom line I find this article insane. The Giants team that beat the Patriots was a run heavy team that passed off of playaction. This isnt 1986. This is two friggin years ago. Steelers also. To call them passing teams is absurd. We are building a team that will lok like the 2008 steelers or 2007 giants. I really think this writer missed the boat and is writing for the sake of writing
     
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  5. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    IMO, if you can score and control the ball you are going to win a lot of games (if your defense doesn't totally suck butt). We are 11th in the NFL in scoring @ 24.3 points per game. That is more then the pass happy Cards, Bengals, Steelers (his example not mine) and Falcons.

    Since Henne took over we are avging 34.3 points per game. That snap shot is more then everyone else exceot NO.
     
  6. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    But the Giants had big receiving targets. They wouldn't have even gotten to the SB without Plax going off in the playoffs. So they weren't a team that primarily passed but they were able to pass when they needed to. That's what I think is the hole in our team. In the playoffs, against good teams, you will inevitably have a game where they stuff your running game. If you want to advance you have to pass. If not you end up like the Wanny Dolphins or the Marty Shottenheimer teams, good but not good enough. I don't think thats what we want to be. I think we want to be like the Giants.

    At this point we're probably good enough on defense and good enough in the running game to achieve that. We're not good enough in the passing game and we're not good enough on special teams. That doesn't mean we don't want to continue to improve in all areas but it does mean we would get the biggest bang out of improving the passing game.

    So I don't agree with the writer that the building was incorrect. But I do agree that it will all be for naught if we don't also build the passing game.
     
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  7. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    In order to be succesful you need to have balance. It is very rare when you can win with an unbalanced offense.
     
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  8. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    While I will agree we need a big time receiver,Lets face it we scored 34 points and lost to the saints and the colts only had the ball for 1 quarter and we lost.Are pass defence really stinks.
     
  9. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Yes, our defense does suck... The question is why? Is it because of inconsistant passrush? poor safety play? poor LB play? Poor scheme?

    I don't know... someone help me out here! :angry:
     
  10. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    A little from each of all 4? I think most fans consider our safeties and ILBs to be in biggest need of upgrade. I expect ILB may be first since so much money was spent on S last year.
     
  11. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I don't think upgrading ILB is going to make much of a difference if we don't upgrade the FS position. I don't know, maybe Clemons is that guy,,,
     
  12. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    But the Giants and Steelers had legitimate threats at both TE and Receiver.

    Giants with Plax and Boss

    Steelers with Ward, Holmes, and Miller.

    Fasano is serviceable both we are severely lacking that go to receiver.
     
  13. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    We've showed we can hang with the best teams in the NFL. We 'should' have beat 2 of the 3 remaining undefeated teams this year. I think being extremely physical is what it takes to beat these finesse teams. Look how the Giants won the Super Bowl. They took down the most finesse team of alltime by punching them in the mouth.

    We are able to contend with the great teams today. Tomorrow we will be able to beat them.
     
  14. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, and right now our passing game is the low side. It has to be the priority. If we just keep hoping that some 3rd rounder or later becomes our #1 then odds are that it will stay that way and we'll never have balance.
     
  15. The Conch Shell Guy

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    I think that Gibril Wilson is doing an ok job but I am with you on drafting a FS or puting Clemons out there.

    I think that we need to get a strong defensive tackle for our defense since Ferguson is aging and Soliai is a beast but not reliable. Additionally, I feel that we could use an upgrade to our ILB even though Crowder is good maybe we can find a gem like Zach Thomas, someone like Brandon Graham from Michigan.

    :knucks:

    BEAT THE JETS!! GO FINS!
     
  16. keypusher

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    I think it's a great article, because it raises the questions we should all be thinking about. We have a mediocre receiving corps and two great running backs. Does that make sense? Is that the way to win?

    I became a football fan in the early 70s, when rushing ruled. In Super Bowl VIII the Dolphins had 56 runs and 7 passes. For me, that's real football. So I love seeing us pile up yards on the ground.

    But that is not where the league is right now. Arguably, it hasn't been there for a while. Even the 1980s Niners, who ran the ball well, basically used the pass to set up the run. Now teams like the Colts and the Patriots barely need to run at all. What is their record compared to ours?
     
  17. padre31

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    Well, what the writer failed to consider is what the rest of the NFL going "pass happy" means.

    Smaller, faster players, when we play those teams we will outweigh them and just punish them, that is exactly what happened in the 80's.

    The Broncos or Bills would roll into the SB and the Giants or Redskins would just maul them, it took the Broncos comitting to the running game for them to win a title.
     
  18. The Conch Shell Guy

    The Conch Shell Guy Wildcat Expert

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    yes while everyone is working towards speed we have our power run offense which is a good choice even in todays nfl.. plus we use our run to set up our pass and soon our passing game is going to be much stronger than it is now, this is gonna be henne's 4th career start.
     
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    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Exactly, and eventually we will need a better passing game, but right now our personnel on offense are doing a fine job.
     
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  20. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    The Steelers of last year and currently are more of a passing team. The black and gold don't run it like they used to.

    The Steelers where 23rd in the league in rushing last year, and 17th in passing.
     
  21. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's a bad premise.

    Their style of offense has been A). Very productive, and B). allowed them to go punch for punch with teams who have superior talent.

    If the defense were better, they'd be kicking ***.
     
  22. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    You know, I could understand the story if we were not scoring points but that is not the case so I don't get it...
     
  23. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Run "D" is stout ....its the pass "D" that's killing us

    We will get there after we draft some safty's
     
  24. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    You know I wonder if our run defense is good because teams can throw on us. Slanting the stats...
     

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