AP Top 25 Ranking 9/20/09

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

:lol: Washington is not horrible its just USC is overrated.

Dude...did you watch that game?!

Washington did everything to lose that game...USC just dug a little deeper to find that something extra to lose it more than WA.

1) USC beat Ohio State and GT hasn't beaten anyone important.
2) USC didn't have their starting QB
3) Washington isnt that bad this year

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

:lol: Washington is not horrible its just USC is overrated.

Uhhh little bit of both but Washington is horrible................IMHO

"my 2 cents wrote:

Uhhh little bit of both but Washington is horrible................IMHO

Too early to tell. Washington is already better than what they were last year.

I love how everyone is going off on UF only scoring 23 points, when UT does have Monte Kiffin as a D-coordinator. Also our Offensive scheme was very very vanilla, we never threw deep twice. I'm not saying we're super human and I try not to act like a true homer. But I think UT is better than people think. They only gave up something like 150 yards in their loss to UCLA. A win is a win IMO

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Too early to tell. Washington is already better than what they were last year.

Having their QB back helps a lot.

How Iowa started out in the polls at #21, won all 3 of their games, and is not even in the top 25 polls now is beyond me.

They had a bad first game which they won by a point, but it was the first game in the season. This may not even matter as they play at Penn State next week, but I wouldn't count them out of the game.

Sure we lost Shonn Greene, but our freshman running backs are looking very good, IMO.

Well GIK in college football all you can do is take care of your business. If you beat Penn State you will be top 25 undoubtedly, if you keep it close you will probably be too.

"Alex44 wrote:

Well GIK in college football all you can do is take care of your business. If you beat Penn State you will be top 25 undoubtedly, if you keep it close you will probably be too.

Winning all of your games is taking care of your business.

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

Winning all of your games is taking care of your business.

That's exactly my point. Keep winning and you will be top 25. Other teams who may have the same record probably moved up based upon the opponents they beat. The polls right now mean nothing.

"finsincebirth wrote:

I love how everyone is going off on UF only scoring 23 points, when UT does have Monte Kiffin as a D-coordinator. Also our Offensive scheme was very very vanilla, we never threw deep twice. I'm not saying we're super human and I try not to act like a true homer. But I think UT is better than people think. They only gave up something like 150 yards in their loss to UCLA. A win is a win IMO

I'm glad I could make you happy. :hi5:

When the opposing team is unranked and playing at the home of the number one ranked team, the defensive coordinator is not a valid excuse. Did I mention unranked... Make no mistake, I hate tenn nearly as bad as I do georgia and alabama.. I wanted the gators to score 56... imo, the gators reign is over if they don't find an outside threat

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Too early to tell. Washington is already better than what they were last year.

Would have been tough to be worse than a reeally worse looking than it ewas 0 and 12...but I agree with all those freshmen they are getting better....but that is like asking if you want your $hit sandwich with or without mustard............

"finsincebirth wrote:

I love how everyone is going off on UF only scoring 23 points, when UT does have Monte Kiffin as a D-coordinator. Also our Offensive scheme was very very vanilla, we never threw deep twice. I'm not saying we're super human and I try not to act like a true homer. But I think UT is better than people think. They only gave up something like 150 yards in their loss to UCLA. A win is a win IMO

You live in G'ville.....I live near Knoxville, so we have our own bias towards our local teams that we will tend to over rate..........Dude Tennessee is BAD, they will get better but right now......damn bad.....and i accept my bias of over rating them.......... I bet they lose 6 at least this year in a weak SEC. I think Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina and maybe Kentucky beat them.

People are ranking Florida on last years team and the fact that they have the most popular player playing on one of the most popular teams in the country...ESPN and the BCS need Florida like whomever has the world series needs the Yankees.....except ESPN can 'make it happen'......

IMHO it is very obvious that Florida has not filled the Harvin role and miss Harvin and Murphy, Rainey and Demps are both dynamite in space but ordinary as 3 down backs, and their run D is good only in spurts....they do not play anyone so I expect them to remain at the top as they enter the SEC championship game but I would hope we do not see any 'greatest team ever' quotes due to their beating up on mighty Troy and College of Bob or whatever, and a Tennessee team that will more than likely not be bowl eligible. But I doubt all serious fans and Gator fans have no doubt that even playing lousy like against UT that The Florida season starts in the SEC championship game (after their tune up against FSwho)....more than likely against Alabama.

"Alex44 wrote:

That's exactly my point. Keep winning and you will be top 25. Other teams who may have the same record probably moved up based upon the opponents they beat. The polls right now mean nothing.

I disagree Alex. the polls are like getting a 10 yard head start in a 100 yard dash based on the fact you ran good your last race. If you are popular, have a good story on a player or two, bring lots of fans and make money for ESPN and the BCS then you are going to start off higher than someone else despite the fact that your team has not played one damn game yet and will open up against 2 or 3 geographically challenged schools...which as you say means nothing....except that I guarantee you that if a team a number one loses early to Poedunk U and a team at number 20 loses to a good team (or in Iowa's case wins) the team at number one is going to have a pretty good chance of climbing back into the race........where you start is damn important IMHO....the reason we will never see no polling until week 6 is the same reason we will never see a playoff...........it would be against the controlling mechanism of ESPN and the BCS and cost them money...us sheep will continue to argue if team X is the greatest of all time as they pound on Western Northern Little Sister Tech State............because ESPN says so.

two things..

first; there should be no ranking until at least halfway through the season

second; the ONLY ranking that matters is the last one

"cnc66 wrote:

two things..

First; there should be no ranking until at least halfway through the season

Agree 110%

I'll tell you this about UF...if they don't have one or two WRs step up and play better, they're going to wind up with 2 losses this season and one's going to be to LSU.

"my 2 cents wrote:

I disagree Alex. the polls are like getting a 10 yard head start in a 100 yard dash based on the fact you ran good your last race. If you are popular, have a good story on a player or two, bring lots of fans and make money for ESPN and the BCS then you are going to start off higher than someone else despite the fact that your team has not played one damn game yet and will open up against 2 or 3 geographically challenged schools...which as you say means nothing....except that I guarantee you that if a team a number one loses early to Poedunk U and a team at number 20 loses to a good team (or in Iowa's case wins) the team at number one is going to have a pretty good chance of climbing back into the race........where you start is damn important IMHO....the reason we will never see no polling until week 6 is the same reason we will never see a playoff...........it would be against the controlling mechanism of ESPN and the BCS and cost them money...us sheep will continue to argue if team X is the greatest of all time as they pound on Western Northern Little Sister Tech State............because ESPN says so.

Do you get a little head start? Of course.

Yet somehow an unranked Miami is now #9 in the polls. If we lose, we will drop back again. It's about taking care of business. Which is why the rankings now don't mean as much.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I'll tell you this about UF...if they don't have one or two WRs step up and play better, they're going to wind up with 2 losses this season and one's going to be to LSU.

IMHO LSU is the most over rated team in CFB. Their D returns 4 starters and no defensive lineman that are capable of controlling the inside which is critical in stopping UF. Al Woods ain't gonna cut it......Their LB's like Coleman and Riley are not going to make anyone forget Butkus...not Dick Butkus but even Marlon Butkus or Butkus Rocky's dog...ain't happenin......they are OK in the secondary but PB&J or Peterson or whatever he calls himself now days and Lotson are not going to effect a game making tackles 25 yards downfield.......Florida may not throw for 10 yards if they can run for 5 miles...........

On offense, Jefferson cannot throw the ball over 12 yards and Russell Sheppard is not ready to play yet, Scott will quit of you hit him and is not that good anyway, Keiland Williams is good but needs space, the talent in their offensive line is young and confused easily, their WR's are very talented but do you really want to rely on Jefferson to get them the ball against Haden and Co......and they cannot cover a kick off to save their collective a$$e$.

They beat Washington who is terrible by 8 (but hey that Idaho win and playing 11 on 10 (Aaron Crap was missing)against USC vaulted them into the top 25), Vandy who is only slightly better than Washington had them within 10 into Q4, and they spanked a pitiful...I mean seriously bad..... La. Lafayette team a school that should be playing Mitchell High School, that had them relatively close for at 17-3 at the half.

Match ups mean a lot and this is a bad one for LSU......Tebow will run for somewhere between 500 and 1300 yards in that game .... he will not need to throw for 6 inches to win that game IMHO but with no DL to control the inside LSU will be forced to stack inside and Cooper, Thompson, and heck Al E. Gator could line up and get open 1-1 with enough time. If they want to play a 2 deep and stack inside...good luck with covering Demps, Hernandez and Rainey running underneath crosses against LB's...................

"Alex44 wrote:

Do you get a little head start? Of course.

Yet somehow an unranked Miami is now #9 in the polls. If we lose, we will drop back again. It's about taking care of business. Which is why the rankings now don't mean as much.

Suppose UM loses to VT and UF loses to Kentucky this weekend. UM would drop back to 15 or so and would effectively be out of the NC picture already....UF loses and max they drop is to 6 or 7. It matters where you start....suppose UF, Texas, Cal and UM run the table (take care of business)......the schedule is toughest at UM but there is no way they vault those 3...it matters where you start.

I agree you have to take care of business first definitely agree...but it matters that there is a poll right now...how is UF #1...is it because they beat Bob, Atlantis and UT? Wow that makes them worthy..or is it maybe because they finished 1 last year, have a lot of fans, money and history.

Why is LSU in the top 10, Ole Miss at 4, and Georgia that cannot stop anyone and is in the top 25.....or why is Okie St., Oklahoma and Nebraska all sitting with losses in the top 25.....how in the world did Okie State beating a Georgia team that has..... my god.... Joe Cox at QB and vault into the top what 8? Alabama is probably legit as is Texas....but how do we know ...because Bama beat SWNE Central State of Franklin by 216 points?

I submit it is because if you look at the match ups that the BCS, ESPN and the NCAA wants it is any combination of Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Florida, Alabama and LSU....they over value the system and those conferences, so those teams can absorb a loss and still return the most money in a NC game.....do not think the NCAA/ESPN or BCS are rooting for a Boise/TCU NC game......................

My point of this diatribe is that there should be no rankings until week 6 at least...and I agree with you to a degree......

Miami deserves it.

If they win the next two games, they deserve to be in the Top 4 IMO.

"my 2 cents wrote:

IMHO LSU is the most over rated team in CFB. Their D returns 4 starters and no defensive lineman that are capable of controlling the inside which is critical in stopping UF. Al Woods ain't gonna cut it......Their LB's like Coleman and Riley are not going to make anyone forget Butkus...not Dick Butkus but even Marlon Butkus or Butkus Rocky's dog...ain't happenin......they are OK in the secondary but PB&J or Peterson or whatever he calls himself now days and Lotson are not going to effect a game making tackles 25 yards downfield.......Florida may not throw for 10 yards if they can run for 5 miles...........

On offense, Jefferson cannot throw the ball over 12 yards and Russell Sheppard is not ready to play yet, Scott will quit of you hit him and is not that good anyway, Keiland Williams is good but needs space, the talent in their offensive line is young and confused easily, their WR's are very talented but do you really want to rely on Jefferson to get them the ball against Haden and Co......and they cannot cover a kick off to save their collective a$$e$.

They beat Washington who is terrible by 8 (but hey that Idaho win and playing 11 on 10 (Aaron Crap was missing)against USC vaulted them into the top 25), Vandy who is only slightly better than Washington had them within 10 into Q4, and they spanked a pitiful...I mean seriously bad..... La. Lafayette team a school that should be playing Mitchell High School, that had them relatively close for at 17-3 at the half.

Match ups mean a lot and this is a bad one for LSU......Tebow will run for somewhere between 500 and 1300 yards in that game .... he will not need to throw for 6 inches to win that game IMHO but with no DL to control the inside LSU will be forced to stack inside and Cooper, Thompson, and heck Al E. Gator could line up and get open 1-1 with enough time. If they want to play a 2 deep and stack inside...good luck with covering Demps, Hernandez and Rainey running underneath crosses against LB's...................

Washington isn't terrible. They may not be a top 25 team, but they are not terrible.

"Stitches wrote:

Washington isn't terrible. They may not be a top 25 team, but they are not terrible.

Why do you think Washington is any good? I see you are from La. but I also watched both the LSU and USC games and....again just MHO....Washington is not good.....they are young and getting better and certainly playing for their new coach with great enthusiasm...but they are not good IMHO.....what do you see that makes you think they are good...playing a mediocre IMHO LSU team (no offense) close? Beating a laughable effort on offense from USC and Aaron Crap...I mean Corp...nahhhhh I mean Crap..........I missed the much anticipated UW-Idaho match up but beating Idaho by 20 and having them throw for 3 bills on you would not exactly vault them into my top 25...............I was curious why you see them as good or at least not terrible...although I love Jake Locker's heart..........

"my 2 cents wrote:

Suppose UM loses to VT and UF loses to Kentucky this weekend. UM would drop back to 15 or so and would effectively be out of the NC picture already....UF loses and max they drop is to 6 or 7. It matters where you start....suppose UF, Texas, Cal and UM run the table (take care of business)......the schedule is toughest at UM but there is no way they vault those 3...it matters where you start.

I agree you have to take care of business first definitely agree...but it matters that there is a poll right now...how is UF #1...is it because they beat Bob, Atlantis and UT? Wow that makes them worthy..or is it maybe because they finished 1 last year, have a lot of fans, money and history.

Why is LSU in the top 10, Ole Miss at 4, and Georgia that cannot stop anyone and is in the top 25.....or why is Okie St., Oklahoma and Nebraska all sitting with losses in the top 25.....how in the world did Okie State beating a Georgia team that has..... my god.... Joe Cox at QB and vault into the top what 8? Alabama is probably legit as is Texas....but how do we know ...because Bama beat SWNE Central State of Franklin by 216 points?

I submit it is because if you look at the match ups that the BCS, ESPN and the NCAA wants it is any combination of Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Florida, Alabama and LSU....they over value the system and those conferences, so those teams can absorb a loss and still return the most money in a NC game.....do not think the NCAA/ESPN or BCS are rooting for a Boise/TCU NC game......................

My point of this diatribe is that there should be no rankings until week 6 at least...and I agree with you to a degree......

one other thing that irks me about the whole BCS set up is how the system is manipulated...Florida for instance got about a .007 bump last year because they had one more game fall into October than the other "contenders", and you get more "style points" from the BCS computer for October wins than September wins........this year Florida plays two non conference games AFTER October 1...FIU and FSU where the other major "contenders" play their non conference schedule up front and generally only have 1 non conference game AFTER 10-1-2009 .... this should end up being a .005-.01 "bump" for them given they win both against the other schools.....so they front load an extra conference game against the weak sisters of the conference where a 1 point win gets you about the same style points early as a 50 point win and they get more style points by beating up FIU late...............

"my 2 cents wrote:

Why do you think Washington is any good? I see you are from La. but I also watched both the LSU and USC games and....again just MHO....Washington is not good.....they are young and getting better and certainly playing for their new coach with great enthusiasm...but they are not good IMHO.....what do you see that makes you think they are good...playing a mediocre IMHO LSU team (no offense) close? Beating a laughable effort on offense from USC and Aaron Crap...I mean Corp...nahhhhh I mean Crap..........I missed the much anticipated UW-Idaho match up but beating Idaho by 20 and having them throw for 3 bills on you would not exactly vault them into my top 25...............I was curious why you see them as good or at least not terrible...although I love Jake Locker's heart..........

I never said they were good. Terrible to me is the bottom 25-40 teams in the country, and Washington is not that IMO, and yes it has a lot to do with Jake Locker.