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Anyone else think we need safeties before WRs...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin D, Oct 15, 2009.

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  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    ...or is it just me?

    I look at our offense, see the yards, time of possession, points, etc. and actually feel pretty good about it. However, when our defense is on the field, I get worried. We can stop the run no problem, but teams have been carving us up thru the air. I think we're set at corner. Smith is lockdown already and I think Davis will be the starter next year, but Bell & Wilson are not getting the job done. I think priority in the coming draft will be safety and we'll draft 2 of them.
     
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  2. Lab3003

    Lab3003 Golden era

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    The 'Phins need pass rushers way before safeties. Joey Porter and Jason Taylor aren't getting to the QB.
     
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  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    True, but I think Wake will come around by next year. JT or Porter will be gone.
     
  4. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    Agreed, We really need a ballhawking FS. Playing two Strong Safeties back there has really burnt us.
     
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  5. baboo72

    baboo72 Bleeding aqua & orange

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    Not just you Finascious, I think for now WR isn't as high a priority as some make it out to be - we know guys like Camarillo and Bess have the ability to step up as shown last year but can Wilson?

    He hasn't started well for us and is certainly being picked on by the opposing teams but from what I remember a couple of posters pointed out his lack of coverage skills when the team announced his signing :no: so there would have to be huge improvement which I just can't see happening.
     
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  6. TiP54

    TiP54 Bad Reputation

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    Doesn't Joey's contract end this year?
     
  7. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The problem with Safety starts at Wilson. Bell isn't the greatest Safety, but he's by no means detrimental right now.

    The problem is though, didn't we sign Wilson to some crazy 5 year deal? What was it this office saw in him that we're not getting?

    I'm beginning to think this team feels it needs to keep an Ernest Wilford on the books every year just to give the fans someone to focus their anger on.

    And I really wonder/hope/pray that Clemons can suit up sometime soon and play if Wilson doesn't produce.
     
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  8. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    I think we need to find someone to replace Patrick Cobbs before S or WR. Hopefully Kory Sheets can fill that role, but we will probably have to assign some of Cobbs' duties to other players. I don't think we will find any one person that can fill that man's shoes. Cobbs did all the little things that go unnoticed by the average fan.

    As for the thread question regarding Saftey or WR? It would be much easier to aquire a good Safety than a #1 WR. If we don't get a TRUE #1 WR there is no point in trading. We already have decent young WR's aplenty on our roster to groom. So picking up a good safety seems more plausible.
     
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  9. azfinfanmang

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    I agree.
    Although I would agree we do need a FS (We certainly don't need a SS, we already have 2) more than we need WR, we need OLB and MLB more than any other position.
    Three things going on at Safety right now:
    1) We really have 2 SS's and I think part of what we are seeing is a SS seriously playing out of position.
    2) Our MLB'ers are NOT stopping the run, so the Safeties are having to support the run more than we would like
    3) We are geeting zero pass rush which makes it tougher on Girbil who is already playing out of position to cover.

    Oh, I forgot the BONUS reason
    BONUS) Girbil is playing really ***tty back there :up:
     
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  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, imho Da Gerbil had his best game so far in Miami against the Jets.

    Granted he had that penalty, Safeties are supposed to bring the lumber though, the cat who got burned was YBell, he is still chasing David Clowney...:lol:

    And I do agree with the thought that the passrush is not very strong so far, crossing routes and deep routes take time to develop, the prush is just not getting there right now.
     
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  11. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Not sure if we'll have a high enough pick, but I'd be all over Eric Berry.
     
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  12. azfinfanmang

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    Well yeah, but that's probably gonna be anywhere from about top 5-12. Hopefully we would be trading up for him.....like 20 spots :shifty:
     
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  13. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    Berry will likely be top 3, top 5 at worst.
     
  14. azfinfanmang

    azfinfanmang Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Pretty tough to gage at this point IMO.
    I could see two QB's going very early. 1 TE, 2 LBers, Dez Bryant, Suh....
    Really depends on who is picking where IMO
     
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  15. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    To be honest, "no" we really do not need either position..at the moment.

    What is needed is the cajones to admit Gerbil is not working out and starting Ty Culver over him, that is 27 million in a admittance, but if we want the defense to improve, that is the fastest way to do so.

    As for the Wr, keep in mind Greg C, Fasano, Ginn, Ricky W, all have seen their average per catch...almost double or double with Henne as the Qb, we may need time for our current Wr to develop with Henne more so than fresh bodies at Wr.
     
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  16. azfinfanmang

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    I agree with Padre, unless an incredible WR falls in our laps, we address about every other position first.
    We may not have a dedicated #1 guy, but we have a whole bunch of kids each with their own added values.
     
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  17. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    I could see Bradford and maybe Suh going before Berry but the rest of those listed are highly doubtful IMO, especially TE and Bryant, no way. Berry could be the best FS talent since Reed.
     
  18. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Two quick questions...

    Isn't one of them (Bell/Wilson) playing out of position? In other words, aren't they both really strong safeties?

    And, what about drafting another corner and moving Davis to FS?
     
  19. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    Yes, Bell and Wilson are both Strong Safeties, as mentioned.

    I doubt you'll see us move Davis, he and Smith are our future at CB. We drafted a decent FS in Clemons, hopefully he or Culver can crack the lineup sometime soon.
     
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  20. PHINANALYST

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

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    my vote is for Clemons ... however, if we keep winning, it's doubtful that this staff will put Clemons out there on a regular basis ... only if the season takes a turn will they run Clemons out there ... i don't think they want Davis, Smith and Clemons out there at the same time right now ...
     
  21. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Yes. Wilson and Bell are the same exact player and cannot co-exist out there. We need a true FS out there. However, I feel we have that guy on our roster. Chris Clemons. I loved him at Clemson and was praying we'd pick him when I seen him still available in the 5th. He was the fastest safety in the draft, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him start next year. The question then would be what to do with Bell/Wilson. They're getting paid too much to sit on the bench, and I'd expect us to try and move one next offseason.
     
  22. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    That is guaranteed. Berry is the best FS prospect to come out in a long time. Ed Reed v2.
     
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  23. LikeUntoGod

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    We need a safety and a ILB first, then maybe a TE.
     
  24. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Joey's got 2 more years on his deal after this.

    He got $20 million guaranteed, but it was a $12 million 'option' in '07 and $8 million over the rest of the deal in '08. So by my elementary math and cap skills, and considering Porter's $4.9 million base next year, I would have the cap hit being $3.9 million if we released him next year. It would be $3.1 million if we'd have given him all $20 million up front.

    Note: this is going off numbers I got in 2007. I don't know if there's been any kind of alteration of the deal since.
     
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  25. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    Between the end of college season and the draft, the jostling of players on the various mock drafts will be astounding. Happens every year.
     
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  26. pumpdogs

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    I am hoping the free safety is already on the roster being chris clemons.
    I remember listening to to pat kirwan on sirius radio saying at training camp he was worried about the dolphins safeties.I guess he did not like what he saw in coverage.
    I think we need to see more of cameron wake on 3rd down maybe at the expense of joey porter who is putting no pressure at all on the quaterbacks.
     
  27. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Clemons & Culver are excellent
    we're fine @ safety w/ Bell & Wilson
    need more game time
    to coordinate the defensive backfield
    this is a project in the making
    they will only improve
     
  28. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    A WR, a Safety and some LB's are all equally urgent needs, but you get them when and how you can. No particular order......... as the opportunity presents itself.
     
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  29. jdang307

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    Id like to see more sacks obviously, but we're #10 in the league in sacks. We're not horrible. Yeah it was one game, but it was a huge game, and our first win. We'd be 8th if Sanchez doesn't get penalized for tossing it away.

    JT has 3 which is about par for him throughout his career as he gets better as the season wears on.
     
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  30. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    This.
     
  31. DOLPHAN1

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    I just don't see the pressing need for a WR at the moment. When the O is on the field we have enough talent to keep this thing going and I don't see them as a liability. A true #1 would be awesome but not at "any cost" yet. To me I worry when the D steps on the field. We are being murdered up the middle. I can handle the mistakes by the rooks on the corner and WAllen as they learn the position and each other. It's the gashes up the middle that keep others in the game. To me an upgrade at ILB and safety are needed if we are seriously thinking about keeping this thing going this year. We may have part of the answer at safety on the bench but I don't see anything for ILB on the team. I could handle Culver/Clemens paired with Wilson/Bell as they develop but watching us get torched every week makes my BP go through the roof!
     
  32. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    :up::up:
     
  33. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Joey signed a 5 year contract in 2007
     
  34. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Move Zach Thomas to SS....
     
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  35. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    get Rolondo McClain in the 1st, trade a 2nd for Bowe, with maybe a Deunta Williams, Darrell Stuckey, Justin Woodall, or Van Eskridge in the 3rd-4th (though I really like Clemons). Problem Solved :up:
     
  36. baboo72

    baboo72 Bleeding aqua & orange

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    :sidelol:
     
  37. finz810

    finz810 Season Ticket Holder

    does anyone else miss Renaldo Hill?
     
  38. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    The 3 biggest concerns I have position wise are (no particular order):
    FS
    LB
    WR

    I believe we need both ILB and OLB.
     
  39. felly smarts

    felly smarts New Member

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    It would be nice to have 1 of them old school bone crushing safeties. Like John Lynch, Ronnie Lott and Troy Palimidontknowhowtospellhisf'nname.
     
  40. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Did somebody say bone-crushing FS?
     

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