Another Draft where we miss out on a proven Running Back. How do we address this need?

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

Pittsburgh messed up with the Harris pick. They really needed a lineman.

I heard pre-draft that Pitt was 100% locked on Harris. Maybe there was more value but they got the guy they wanted- kudos to them!

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Im extremely sad and frustrated about it too. The coaching staff and front office just don't seem to care. I've basically given up hope, unfortunately. Its depressing, and its going to be hard for me to get very excited about this upcoming season.

me too, miserable going into next season with the same rbs that got us to ten wins last season!

makes total sense.

"plc001 wrote:

me too, miserable going into next season with the same rbs that got us to ten wins last season!

makes total sense.

Last year was a six win team that had a lot of things break right for them. You can't count on that happening, and even if it did, for me its a lot less satisfying than a team that actually goes out and earns those wins through consistent disciplined offense.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Last year was a six win team that had a lot of things break right for them. You can't count on that happening, and even if it did, for me its a lot less satisfying than a team that actually goes out and earns those wins through consistent disciplined offense.

I just think we have a head coach that these guys will go to war for. After seeing him charge the Bengals sideline after two cheap shots on Grant, that’s all I need to see to know.

I think our young talent starts catching up with the coaching at some point and we start fielding play off teams.

"mlb1399 wrote:

I just think we have a head coach that these guys will go to war for. After seeing him charge the Bengals sideline after two cheap shots on Grant, that’s all I need to see to know.

I think our young talent starts catching up with the coaching at some point and we start fielding play off teams.

I like Flores. I think he'll make the defense very good. But I have extreme concerns on the offensive side, and that's what I care about the most. I worry the we're going to try to get by with big, explosive plays rather than co trolling the clock and gaining a lot of first downs. And that gives me heartburn. Constant stress.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I like Flores. I think he'll make the defense very good. But I have extreme concerns on the offensive side, and that's what I care about the most. I worry the we're going to try to get by with big, explosive plays rather than co trolling the clock and gaining a lot of first downs. And that gives me heartburn. Constant stress.

I hear you man. I don’t need to regurgitate my disdain for choosing Tua over Herbert or moving back and missing out on Pitts/Chase anymore. All I know is we’ve got a young offense, a young offensive line and a young QB. I’m hopeful that if our OL can make strides, we’ll see major improvement in our run game which will feed our passing game. And then to Flos point, the 2 new speedy additions to WR will open up everything.

"plc001 wrote:

me too, miserable going into next season with the same rbs that got us to ten wins last season!

makes total sense.

If you think our running backs won us 10 games your crazy. Fitz had to bail us out 80% of the time. The passing game and our Defense won us games. Our running backs totaled under 1500 years combined.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I like Flores. I think he'll make the defense very good. But I have extreme concerns on the offensive side, and that's what I care about the most. I worry the we're going to try to get by with big, explosive plays rather than co trolling the clock and gaining a lot of first downs. And that gives me heartburn. Constant stress.

This is my issue as well. It seems the definition of offense now is chunk yardage. Hoping we get 3rd and longs consistently. I remember a day when the run setup the defense for passing plays. If all were going to do is pass the defense can easily adjust you have to have balance and having backs that can get 3-4 yards at will is a MAJOR concern for me. There is a reason the Pittstburg steelers have been a staple in the AFC for years. They constantly have backs that move the chains and free up the passing game. As well as other teams.

We need to have a more balanced offense TUA needs someone to help him out.

"Dorfdad wrote:

This is my issue as well. It seems the definition of offense now is chunk yardage. Hoping we get 3rd and longs consistently. I remember a day when the run setup the defense for passing plays. If all were going to do is pass the defense can easily adjust you have to have balance and having backs that can get 3-4 yards at will is a MAJOR concern for me. There is a reason the Pittstburg steelers have been a staple in the AFC for years. They constantly have backs that move the chains and free up the passing game. As well as other teams.

We need to have a more balanced offense TUA needs someone to help him out.

I'm from the Pittsburgh area and am basically a Dolphins fan in the body of a Steelers fan, if that makes sense. The difference is that my dad doesn't like sports, so I made my own choice at a young age. But I really wish that the Steelers were the franchise that the Fins were trying to emulate, rather than the Patriots.

Well....We drafted a running back. I think we need to cool it for now and see what this cast can do going into next season. I like the Doaks kid we drafted. I think we can get a few good years out of Gaskin. Ahmed played well in spurts, and we have Malcolm Brown who I suspect will be competing with Doaks for a roster spot. Laird is still in the mix as well. I am not completely crushed about this, I think we have a decent cast at the position. It's a work in progress.

"Dorfdad wrote:

If you think our running backs won us 10 games your crazy. Fitz had to bail us out 80% of the time. The passing game and our Defense won us games. Our running backs totaled under 1500 years combined.

So the guy that took snaps in 50% of our wins bailed the Dolphins out 80% of the time. How did that work again?

A dynamic pass offense will open up the running game no matter who is back there.

"Dorfdad wrote:

If you think our running backs won us 10 games your crazy. Fitz had to bail us out 80% of the time. The passing game and our Defense won us games. Our running backs totaled under 1500 years combined.

Now you know what I said, and that wasn’t it. You can be negative if you want and say we won 10 games in spite of our running game, but the point is last yrs team won 10 games and we will be better this yr. Even with the same running backs.

We're doing what we need to do. We're building a strong OL and putting players on the edges that will keep defenses in dime coverage for most of the game. Although we didn't grab a "name" RB, we're setting our offense up so Gaskin and Co. can at least make plays beyond the LOS. Don't get me wrong, I'd be beyond ecstatic had we taken Harris, Williams, Carter or Sermon. But there's opportunity cost to everything and I'm glad for what it proved to be.

Gaskin - 7th rd (43K guaranteed)
Ahmed - UDFA (0.00 guaranteed)
Laird - UDFA (3K Guaranteed)
Brown - FA (1.5M Guar)
Doaks - 7th rd (?100k?)

Two 7th round picks and around 1.646M in guaranteed $$$ invested in RB.

I think this draft is confirmation that this brass is following the modern analytics theory....running backs aren’t worth investing capitol (‘or don’t matter’).
Countless arguments to support this theory.

"Pennington's Limp Arm wrote:

Gaskin - 7th rd (43K guaranteed)
Ahmed - UDFA (0.00 guaranteed)
Laird - UDFA (3K Guaranteed)
Brown - FA (1.5M Guar)
Doaks - 7th rd (?100k?)

Two 7th round picks and around 1.646M in guaranteed $$$ invested in RB.

I think this draft is confirmation that this brass is following the modern analytics theory....running backs aren’t worth investing capitol (‘or don’t matter’).
Countless arguments to support this theory.

I think you're likely right that they feel this way. I feel completely differently, and ill keep complaining.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

A dynamic pass offense will open up the running game no matter who is back there.

^^^

I'm fine with seeing how this strategy works out for 2021 w/o sweating a top-tier RB.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

^^^

I'm fine with seeing how this strategy works out for 2021 w/o sweating a top-tier RB.

And then get a top tier RB next offseason. Please.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

And then get a top tier RB next offseason. Please.

Ya I mean if it doesn't work well, and the run game still stifles us, I'm all in.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

A dynamic pass offense will open up the running game no matter who is back there.

And a dynamic running game will open up play action pass for big gains. How’s that guy Tannehill doing in Tennessee with Derrick Henry again?

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

And a dynamic running game will open up play action pass for big gains. How’s that guy Tannehill doing in Tennessee with Derrick Henry again?

Winning super bowls left and right

Send a 4th for James Robinson.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I like Flores. I think he'll make the defense very good. But I have extreme concerns on the offensive side, and that's what I care about the most. I worry the we're going to try to get by with big, explosive plays rather than co trolling the clock and gaining a lot of first downs. And that gives me heartburn. Constant stress.

I don't think you should have "extreme concerns" because this is not a linear problem. Sure, I'd love to see an offense that can score 50 per game while the defense only gives up 6 points, but that's not a realistic goal in today's salary cap era. A 50-6 win is exactly the same as a 14-13 win...in that they're both wins.

With Waddle and Fuller, this offense completely changes from the last stretch of the year in 2020. Back then, we had basically no receivers healthy and the offense had to go plain vanilla to gain any yardage at all. Defenses just weren't scared of our 5th string receivers and that let them control the line of scrimmage.

This coming season with everyone healthy, it's impossible to stack the box unless you're straight-up challenging Tua's release under pressure. I think it's a completely different offense where we'll be able to move the ball a lot more fluidly via pass and run. Does that equal 50 per game? Nope...but our already elite defense has improved as well. The goal here is probably 17 to 21 points per game to fall into the W column. And I don't think that comes down to throwing bombs to make that happen either.

"KeyFin wrote:

I don't think you should have "extreme concerns" because this is not a linear problem. Sure, I'd love to see an offense that can score 50 per game while the defense only gives up 6 points, but that's not a realistic goal in today's salary cap era. A 50-6 win is exactly the same as a 14-13 win...in that they're both wins.

True if its a win. 14-13 leave a lot to wrong and not get a win. 50-6 not so much. So while they are the same in the scorebook, I would rather have the 50-6 win and not the nail biters we endure EVERY GAME.