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An Outsiders view..

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by patsfanNH, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. patsfanNH

    patsfanNH New Member

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    I have no real dislike for the Phins, and as an outsider I wanted mention a few things:

    1. Henne/Thigpen look like Ok QB's but how can anyone be sure as the game plans never seem to go to their strengh (I say this because the Play calling in the games I saw was just god awful.)

    2. Poorly using your RB's... I don't think Brown and Williams forgot how to run in a year so my guess is the OC failed to utilize them properly (or for better terms get them on mismatches by being spread out as a WR.)

    3. Guys SMILING when getting their butts handed to them by the Pats 2nd string!!! (I am sorry I be ticked if I was a Phin fan and saw this... I despised Adalius Thomas for the same reason guy never seemed to care!)

    That said I think the #1 need for the Phins is a good OC like a Charlie Weis or even Josh McDaniels (I don't know if EITHER would go to the phins esp McDaniels do to loyalty to BB, But I don't know.)

    IMO if you get a good OC and Henne still struggles you know he is the problem, but with the current OC seems the Play calling was just BAD! Mind you I think Marshall has the Randy Moss disease.
     
  2. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Mostly on here for sure. We have *****ed about the playcalling all season.
    As far as Weiss he took the Florida OC gig. Wouldn't mind McDaniels at all as an OC
     
  3. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Mcdaniels, Noland and Marshall reunited.....not going to happen.
     
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  4. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Its good to know that even opposing fans can see how awful our play calling was this year.
     
  5. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    The bad OC calling makes it so very hard to fairly judge Henne. Henne's psyche right now makes it equally hard to judge Henne going forward.

    But we have a few OC candidates that could properly fix what ails this offense, even if Sparano is retained.

    Now, if Harbaugh is HC, he could bring his Stanford OC. That could work since this draft should be rookie Oside heavy, and thus they could relate to this fresh youth. Also, the vets that remain, are professional vets in many ways and would make young coaches welcome.

    We need an exciting offense, and that alone would make Oside minds meld and gel as the ball gets to the playmakers to not have to have them whine and complain.

    could be win/win going youth on Oside coaches and draft talent.
     
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  6. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    Trust me, it just wasn't a handful of games.
     
  7. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Yup, you pretty much nailed it. Thanks for the confirmation...
     
  8. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    And the band plays on...
     
  9. bakedmatt

    bakedmatt Well-Known Member

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    You just want us to go into another season with Henne as our starter. Saboteur!!
     
  10. patsfanNH

    patsfanNH New Member

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    LOL I think against BB Henne be confused for a Long Long time... But aren't 99% of all other QB's??

    That said I still say the Phins can make noise if they get a good OC who can groom the QB (Henne or a rookie) but IMO your current OC can not do this..
     
  11. Auburn

    Auburn New Member

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    Lets hire O'Brien from NE!
     
  12. PS17

    PS17 NYJ 2010!!!

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    From another outsider: I think the Dolphins need to seriously cut their losses with Henne and Sparano. Man up and bring in a new coaching staff, aside from Nolan, and draft a QB in the first round (why are the Dolphins afraid of doing this?) like Mallett (prob. won't be there) or Cam Newton.

    Henne doesn't have to be cut/traded, he's just not the answer at QB. He can backup whomever Miami drafts.
     
  13. Auburn

    Auburn New Member

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    You can replace "Henne" with "Sanchez" in that sentence....and Miami with "New York".
     
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  14. patsfanNH

    patsfanNH New Member

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    Only diff is NY loves Sanchez and thinks he is awesome... Fact they have made he playoffs 2 years in a row doesnt hurt either.

    as for O'brien good luck doubt he leave NE lol
     
  15. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    Auburn hit the nail on the head. What makes you think Sanchez is any better than Henne? And aren't the Jests in the playoffs?
     
  16. PS17

    PS17 NYJ 2010!!!

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    Come on now. Henne has regressed while Sanchez has improved, however slightly. One franchise is trending upward with the other is trending downward. Just facts my dude. I'm hardly ready to anoint Sanchez, by the way. I think he is developing at an okay rate and you'll see big strides next season. He avoided the dreaded "sophomore slump," which has to account for something. But I digress...

    This thread isn't about the Jets.
     
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  17. PS17

    PS17 NYJ 2010!!!

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    Yes, the Jets are in the playoffs. I don't know what you're getting at.
     
  18. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    I really...really...REALLLY hope that the Jests FO thinks the same as you. ;)
     
  19. GreenMachine

    GreenMachine New Member

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    That's it..Give up on a second year QB. Give up on a guy with nothing but an upside. How many QBs do you know that got their team to the playoffs in his rookie and Sophomore year?
     
  20. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    LMAO
    Throw Sanchez on the Dolphins this year, and see what he looks like. Henne might not have lit the world on fire this year, but Sanchez sucks too.
     
  21. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    you have GOT to be kidding here. Sanchez had about as little to do with getting the Jets to the playoffs as I did.

    BTW, Flacco did it, didn't he? And Matt Ryan? Marino got his team to the Super Bowl in his second year. Brady won the Super Bowl his first year starting.
     
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  22. Auburn

    Auburn New Member

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    This is why I love the Jets fans. You give Henne, Santonio Holmes, Cotchery and Braylon Edwards and see how does. Even with all those weapons the Jets lost 10-6 to us and 45-3 to NE. Good luck vs. Indi, where Freeney and Mathis will eat the Sanchize alive. Jets talk a lot of bravado for a team that has accomplished absolutely nothing.
     
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  23. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    Jury is still out on whether Sanchez will be a top QB, but you can win with him. But why are we debating Sanchez?

    sent from my EVO 4G
     
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  24. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Because some silly Jets fan claimed that Sanchez has essentially taken the Jets to the playoffs on his back the last two seasons. Last year, he was a huge liability. This year, he had Holmes taking 10 yards slants, and turning them into 50 yard game winning tds.
     
  25. PS17

    PS17 NYJ 2010!!!

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    Because Dolphins fans can't discuss their horrible team with opposing fans. They are too insecure so they flip it around about how the Jets and Sanchez suck.
     
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  26. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Well, as much as it pains me I gotta agree with the Jets fans here. After this season, Dolphins fans are delusional if they think Henne is better than Sanchez. Give Sanchez some credit where it is due. He won the Jets a couple of games in the 4th quarter this year, I don't care how bad the teams were that he beat. He's far from an elite QB, but as of right now I'd say the Jets at least have a QB they can win some games with.
     
  27. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    I must have missed that post.

    sent from my EVO 4G
     
  28. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    Correction, they had some good luck and a few players who can win with a QB like Sanchez.
     
  29. Auburn

    Auburn New Member

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    Its the people who live in glass houses....thing
     
  30. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Like I said, HOLMES won some games in the fourth. Sanchez wasn't throwing 50 yard td bombs to win games. He threw slants to Holmes, and he did all the work.

    If Sanchez were on the dolphins, and Henne on the Jets, we'd still be having this same argument.
     
  31. Auburn

    Auburn New Member

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    I agree, at this time he is not much more than a game manager. Lets see how he fares on Sunday.
     
  32. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Whether you want to face it or not, if Henne had won some games the way Sanchez did this year we would all be singing his praises. Hell, some of us still do even after the dog **** campain he had this year.
     
  33. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    Go watch the Houston game.

    sent from my EVO 4G
     
  34. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Here you go:

    Giving all the credit to Sanchez. Silly.
     
  35. Auburn

    Auburn New Member

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    Houston, the one that had the 32nd ranked pass D? Really? I prefer to watch the game at NE. I am not saying he is not better than Henne, but if he is its not by a heck of a lot. Not now anyway.
     
  36. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    How about the other two games? Was the Houston game the one where Jason Allen was about five yards under the receiver, and the safety didn't come over to help? That pass? I could have made that pass.
     
  37. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    because it makes logical sense, and we love to do the opposite.
     
  38. PS17

    PS17 NYJ 2010!!!

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    resnor...

    I don't wanna get banned, so I'll hold my tongue on your comments.
     
  39. Auburn

    Auburn New Member

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    Didn't Roethlisberger go 15-1 as a rookie? Come on, the Jets are where they are because of their D and LT running the ball so well early on.
     
  40. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Sanchez hasn't improved. Check his QB Rating. He's roughly the same QB. He has a lot more attempts, which means bigger numbers, but overall it's hard to say he's improved. Henne has definitely regressed. Hard to say if that's all on him or the coaching staff. His confidence is definitely shot.

    BTW, Henne is 3-1 against Sanchez in his career. So, he's got that.
     

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