An Outsiders view..

Mostly on here for sure. We have bitched about the playcalling all season.
As far as Weiss he took the Florida OC gig. Wouldn't mind McDaniels at all as an OC

Mcdaniels, Noland and Marshall reunited.....not going to happen.

Its good to know that even opposing fans can see how awful our play calling was this year.

The bad OC calling makes it so very hard to fairly judge Henne. Henne's psyche right now makes it equally hard to judge Henne going forward.

But we have a few OC candidates that could properly fix what ails this offense, even if Sparano is retained.

Now, if Harbaugh is HC, he could bring his Stanford OC. That could work since this draft should be rookie Oside heavy, and thus they could relate to this fresh youth. Also, the vets that remain, are professional vets in many ways and would make young coaches welcome.

We need an exciting offense, and that alone would make Oside minds meld and gel as the ball gets to the playmakers to not have to have them whine and complain.

could be win/win going youth on Oside coaches and draft talent.

"patsfanNH wrote:

I have no real dislike for the Phins, and as an outsider I wanted mention a few things:

1. Henne/Thigpen look like Ok QB's but how can anyone be sure as the game plans never seem to go to their strengh (I say this because the Play calling in the games I saw was just god awful.)

2. Poorly using your RB's... I don't think Brown and Williams forgot how to run in a year so my guess is the OC failed to utilize them properly (or for better terms get them on mismatches by being spread out as a WR.)

3. Guys SMILING when getting their butts handed to them by the Pats 2nd string!!! (I am sorry I be ticked if I was a Phin fan and saw this... I despised Adalius Thomas for the same reason guy never seemed to care!)

That said I think the #1 need for the Phins is a good OC like a Charlie Weis or even Josh McDaniels (I don't know if EITHER would go to the phins esp McDaniels do to loyalty to BB, But I don't know.)

IMO if you get a good OC and Henne still struggles you know he is the problem, but with the current OC seems the Play calling was just BAD! Mind you I think Marshall has the Randy Moss disease.

Trust me, it just wasn't a handful of games.

Yup, you pretty much nailed it. Thanks for the confirmation...

"patsfanNH wrote:

I have no real dislike for the Phins, and as an outsider I wanted mention a few things:

1. Henne/Thigpen look like Ok QB's but how can anyone be sure as the game plans never seem to go to their strengh (I say this because the Play calling in the games I saw was just god awful.)

2. Poorly using your RB's... I don't think Brown and Williams forgot how to run in a year so my guess is the OC failed to utilize them properly (or for better terms get them on mismatches by being spread out as a WR.)

3. Guys SMILING when getting their butts handed to them by the Pats 2nd string!!! (I am sorry I be ticked if I was a Phin fan and saw this... I despised Adalius Thomas for the same reason guy never seemed to care!)

That said I think the #1 need for the Phins is a good OC like a Charlie Weis or even Josh McDaniels (I don't know if EITHER would go to the phins esp McDaniels do to loyalty to BB, But I don't know.)

IMO if you get a good OC and Henne still struggles you know he is the problem, but with the current OC seems the Play calling was just BAD! Mind you I think Marshall has the Randy Moss disease.

And the band plays on...

IMO if you get a good OC and Henne still struggles you know he is the problem, but with the current OC seems the Play calling was just BAD! Mind you I think Marshall has the Randy Moss disease.

You just want us to go into another season with Henne as our starter. Saboteur!!

"bakedmatt wrote:

You just want us to go into another season with Henne as our starter. Saboteur!!

LOL I think against BB Henne be confused for a Long Long time... But aren't 99% of all other QB's??

That said I still say the Phins can make noise if they get a good OC who can groom the QB (Henne or a rookie) but IMO your current OC can not do this..

Lets hire O'Brien from NE!

From another outsider: I think the Dolphins need to seriously cut their losses with Henne and Sparano. Man up and bring in a new coaching staff, aside from Nolan, and draft a QB in the first round (why are the Dolphins afraid of doing this?) like Mallett (prob. won't be there) or Cam Newton.

Henne doesn't have to be cut/traded, he's just not the answer at QB. He can backup whomever Miami drafts.

"PS17 wrote:

From another outsider: I think the Dolphins need to seriously cut their losses with Henne and Sparano. Man up and bring in a new coaching staff, aside from Nolan, and draft a QB in the first round (why are the Dolphins afraid of doing this?) like Mallett (prob. won't be there) or Cam Newton.

Henne doesn't have to be cut/traded, he's just not the answer at QB. He can backup whomever Miami drafts.

You can replace "Henne" with "Sanchez" in that sentence....and Miami with "New York".

"Auburn wrote:

You can replace "Henne" with "Sanchez" in that sentence....and Miami with "New York".

Only diff is NY loves Sanchez and thinks he is awesome... Fact they have made he playoffs 2 years in a row doesnt hurt either.

as for O'brien good luck doubt he leave NE lol

"PS17 wrote:

From another outsider: I think the Dolphins need to seriously cut their losses with Henne and Sparano. Man up and bring in a new coaching staff, aside from Nolan, and draft a QB in the first round (why are the Dolphins afraid of doing this?) like Mallett (prob. won't be there) or Cam Newton.

Henne doesn't have to be cut/traded, he's just not the answer at QB. He can backup whomever Miami drafts.

Auburn hit the nail on the head. What makes you think Sanchez is any better than Henne? And aren't the Jests in the playoffs?

"Auburn wrote:

You can replace "Henne" with "Sanchez" in that sentence....and Miami with "New York".

Come on now. Henne has regressed while Sanchez has improved, however slightly. One franchise is trending upward with the other is trending downward. Just facts my dude. I'm hardly ready to anoint Sanchez, by the way. I think he is developing at an okay rate and you'll see big strides next season. He avoided the dreaded "sophomore slump," which has to account for something. But I digress...

This thread isn't about the Jets.

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

Auburn hit the nail on the head. What makes you think Sanchez is any better than Henne? And aren't the Jests in the playoffs?

Yes, the Jets are in the playoffs. I don't know what you're getting at.

"PS17 wrote:

Come on now. Henne has regressed while Sanchez has improved, however slightly. One franchise is trending upward with the other is trending downward. Just facts my dude. I'm hardly ready to anoint Sanchez, by the way. I think he is developing at an okay rate and you'll see big strides next season. He avoided the dreaded "sophomore slump," which has to account for something. But I digress...

This thread isn't about the Jets.

I really...really...REALLLY hope that the Jests FO thinks the same as you. ;)

"Auburn wrote:

You can replace "Henne" with "Sanchez" in that sentence....and Miami with "New York".

That's it..Give up on a second year QB. Give up on a guy with nothing but an upside. How many QBs do you know that got their team to the playoffs in his rookie and Sophomore year?

LMAO
Throw Sanchez on the Dolphins this year, and see what he looks like. Henne might not have lit the world on fire this year, but Sanchez sucks too.

"GreenMachine wrote:

That's it..Give up on a second year QB. Give up on a guy with nothing but an upside. How many QBs do you know that got their team to the playoffs in his rookie and Sophomore year?

you have GOT to be kidding here. Sanchez had about as little to do with getting the Jets to the playoffs as I did.

BTW, Flacco did it, didn't he? And Matt Ryan? Marino got his team to the Super Bowl in his second year. Brady won the Super Bowl his first year starting.

This is why I love the Jets fans. You give Henne, Santonio Holmes, Cotchery and Braylon Edwards and see how does. Even with all those weapons the Jets lost 10-6 to us and 45-3 to NE. Good luck vs. Indi, where Freeney and Mathis will eat the Sanchize alive. Jets talk a lot of bravado for a team that has accomplished absolutely nothing.

Jury is still out on whether Sanchez will be a top QB, but you can win with him. But why are we debating Sanchez?

sent from my EVO 4G

Because some silly Jets fan claimed that Sanchez has essentially taken the Jets to the playoffs on his back the last two seasons. Last year, he was a huge liability. This year, he had Holmes taking 10 yards slants, and turning them into 50 yard game winning tds.

"BicketyBam wrote:

Jury is still out on whether Sanchez will be a top QB, but you can win with him. But why are we debating Sanchez?

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Because Dolphins fans can't discuss their horrible team with opposing fans. They are too insecure so they flip it around about how the Jets and Sanchez suck.