Allen Hurns & Albert Wilson Opt Out

You're right. He's the first:

He was a likely cut imo..

Albert Wilson is opting out now too. One of them may have been cut but I hate to see both of them opt out.

Darn, that can't bode well for Wilson's future with the team.

I can't say I blame them. I want to see the Dolphins in action as much as the next person, but COVID-19 is something that should be taken seriously.

"Silverphin wrote:

I can't say I blame them. I want to see the Dolphins in action as much as the next person, but COVID-19 is something that should be taken seriously.

Unless they live with a sick relative, it really shouldn't.

They're professional athletes in peak physical condition.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Unless they live with a sick relative, it really shouldn't.

They're professional athletes in peak physical condition.

And that's a reason not to take a seriously because...?

Exhaulted has a valid point. There has been so much back and forth on the coronavirus that people are filled with sensationalism and misguided fear.

These are professional athletes. They are in peak physical condition. They aren’t elderly. They don’t have heart conditions. They don’t have any immune difficiency issues. Their own individual risk is quite low and when I say low risk, I’m not speaking of contraction, I’m speaking of long term health issues.

My stepson and his wife live in New York and both contracted coronavirus. Now physically there’s nothing special about these two. If nothing else you could say they’re both a little on the heavy side. No hospital visit, no nothing, they just got sicker than dogs and wished they were going to die but it was nothing more than a really strong flu that knocked them on their butts for 3 weeks.

Now granted they have no other in home family members with susceptible pre-existing conditions but the point is they’re just fine and they aren’t professional athletes in peak physical condition.

If a player wishes to opt out of the season, to each his own but before doing so, I only wish they would make an informed decision and not a media laced panic one

Healthy, young people have died from it too. It's like running outside during a lightning storm. Very low chance of me getting struck by lightning but do we risk it? No.

"Silverphin wrote:

And that's a reason not to take a seriously because...?

Because a healthy 20-35 year old male athlete literally has a 0.000000002% chance of dying from Covid.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Because a healthy 20-35 year old male athlete literally has a 0.000000002% chance of dying from Covid.

I would like to see that study.

Also, there are more things that happen with COVID-19 than death.

Plus a lot of them have families.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Because a healthy 20-35 year old male athlete literally has a 0.000000002% chance of dying from Covid.

Yeah I don't know whose napkin math you're re-posting but it's wrong and irresponsible, whatever it's supposed to be.

Best information we have is case fatality rate- what % of people who have tested positive have died. That's pretty consistently somewhere between 0.2 to 0.3% in that age range, which translates to your odds of dying if infected being somewhere between 1 in 300 to 1 in 500. Now there's certainly some % of infections that are not being tested, but we have no real way of knowing how many or what % that is. Regardless, if the NFL protocols fail to protect players from infection it's certainly not a one in a million chance or whatever we will have a death or deaths among players, not to mention coaches or support staff.

I'm assuming what you posted there is the % of a population who has died of covid to this point, which is not your chance of dying from Covid or really even at all useful without more context.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

I would like to see that study.

Also, there are more things that happen with COVID-19 than death.

Plus a lot of them have families.

From the CDC itself...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex

"Disgustipate wrote:

Yeah I don't know whose napkin math you're re-posting but it's wrong and irresponsible, whatever it's supposed to be.

Best information we have is case fatality rate- what % of people who have tested positive have died. That's pretty consistently somewhere between 0.2 to 0.3% in that age range, which translates to your odds of dying if infected being somewhere between 1 in 300 to 1 in 500. Now there's certainly some % of infections that are not being tested, but we have no real way of knowing how many or what % that is. Regardless, if the NFL protocols fail to protect players from infection it's certainly not a one in a million chance or whatever we will have a death or deaths among players, not to mention coaches or support staff.

I'm assuming what you posted there is the % of a population who has died of covid to this point, which is not your chance of dying from Covid or really even at all useful without more context.

It isn't even close to that high if you're looking at death rates of those under 60 with no co-morbidities.

Basically, if you're elderly WITH significant underlying health issues, you're at risk. If you're not elderly, and don't have underlying issues, you're not really at risk of dying. You'll feel like crap, then you'll get better, the majority of the time without even ever going to the hospital.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

From the CDC itself...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex

Weighted by population ages 0-24 and 25-34 are higher than average for Non-Hispanic Blacks.

it doesn't have a breakdown with athletes.

"resnor wrote:

It isn't even close to that high if you're looking at death rates of those under 60 with no co-morbidities.

Basically, if you're elderly WITH significant underlying health issues, you're at risk. If you're not elderly, and don't have underlying issues, you're not really at risk of dying. You'll feel like crap, then you'll get better, the majority of the time without even ever going to the hospital.

Even without going to the hospital people who don't even have symptoms are showing lung damage, heart damage, and blood clotting issues.

It is not fearmongering to say that there are risks even to younger very athletic people.

Death isn't the only risk involved.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

Even without going to the hospital people who don't even have symptoms are showing lung damage, heart damage, and blood clotting issues.

It is not fearmongering to say that there are risks even to younger very athletic people.

Death isn't the only risk involved.

How are we testing this stuff is they weren't in the hospital? If they went in to get this stuff looked at, then they just have had symptoms to prompt going in?

Regardless, what is the percent? We're all acting like we don't live everyday making decisions that have potentially catastrophic consequences. We drive cars, and we have high probabilities of being involved in accidents, and dying or having life altering injuries.

We all made fun of Madden for not wanting to fly.

"resnor wrote:

How are we testing this stuff is they weren't in the hospital? If they went in to get this stuff looked at, then they just have had symptoms to prompt going in?

Regardless, what is the percent? We're all acting like we don't live everyday making decisions that have potentially catastrophic consequences. We drive cars, and we have high probabilities of being involved in accidents, and dying or having life altering injuries.

We all made fun of Madden for not wanting to fly.

In other countries, they are testing people who do not have symptoms and then giving them examinations to see the damage. They are finding lung damage in people who had little to no symptoms.

We know all the dangers of cars. Also getting in a car wreck by yourself doesn't have the potential to kill someone in your family if you are not hurt in anyway.

We are not acting like we don't live everyday making decisions that have potentially catastrophic consequences. We are all reacting to a current situation with the information that we have. We are all doing our best with that.

All aspects of driving we know the risks and consequences. With this current disease, there are a lot of unknowns. I don't disparage anyone who wants more to be known before making a tough decision about going back into public, especially if they don't have to.

"resnor wrote:

It isn't even close to that high if you're looking at death rates of those under 60 with no co-morbidities.

What I listed specifically was for people in the age range of NFL players.

If you're going to turn around and claim it's all for people with pre-existing conditions in that age range I guess you can certainly do that, but I don't think there's really any evidence to what extent that's true, or it's a non-issue for a sport where obesity is essentially a pre-requisite for many of the players.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Because a healthy 20-35 year old male athlete literally has a 0.000000002% chance of dying from Covid.

Let's assume that the percentage you provided was accurate.

If I poured you a drink and told you there was a 0.000000002% chance that it could give you severe health problems or even kill you, would you take a sip?

There's another angle to this which might render the actual odds irrelevant.

Whatever the real odds or risks of getting COVID19 and suffering serious ill effects from it, one might ask whether avoiding the NFL season actually mitigates that risk. In other words, does not playing actually make it less likely you'll avoid it?

It might, in which case there's an argument to be made for avoiding the season. If players just end up living the high life or hanging out normally then the chances are probably just as good, if not worse, that they'll catch it that way.

You're more likely to get a hand in your face playing football, which you can avoid otherwise, and get breathed on up close. Depending upon how you behave elsewhere, though, the odds could still be similar.

The NFL are, at least, monitoring and running tests, so that might serve to make it a safer environment than most.

If it were me, if I didn't have vulnerable family, I'd be playing. It's a new sickness that carries some risk but it can't be avoided completely, I'd rather take that risk and get on with my life, using wisdom in mitigating the risk by washing my hands etc. But that's me.

"Silverphin wrote:

Let's assume that the percentage you provided was accurate.

If I poured you a drink and told you there was a 0.000000002% chance that it could give you severe health problems or even kill you, would you take a sip?

That's probably true for every drink you take right?

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

Even without going to the hospital people who don't even have symptoms are showing lung damage, heart damage, and blood clotting issues.

It is not fearmongering to say that there are risks even to younger very athletic people.

Death isn't the only risk involved.

Do you have to go to the hospital to get lung damage, heart damage and blood clotting issues?

Actually lung damage and heart damage is commonly undiagnosed until it results in a visit to the doctor and a diagnoses or you just drop dead!

When I joined the Marine Corps, back in 1965 I was 19 years old and had to take a physical to get in the service. When I took the physical I failed it because I had a heart murmur and congenitally "weak feet". When I heard "heart murmur" I turned white. The doctor said don't worry, its common in young men and they usually out grow it. It did change my medical rating from 2A to 4Y. I was still able to enlist.

I had never heard the term 4Y before and it wasn't until 1966 while I was stationed at MCRD, San Diego that I saw that particular medical classification mentioned in a news release in a daily San Diego paper.

Apparently San Diego County didn't have enough men with a 2A classification to fill their draft quota, so they were beginning to draft 4Y's. Surfers were getting out of the draft because they had "surfer knobs" on the bridge of their feet and it would interfere with wearing boots and getting that kind of classification.

I never thought there would be a situation come up where my medical rating from the service would be a meaningful topic for discussion.

What does that tell you about the effects of this "pandemic"?

What does it say about the NFL preseason so far?

"Galant wrote:

That's probably true for every drink you take right?

Not drinking but here are the chances of lightning strike fatality a couple of decades ago - way more probable: