ALLEDGED - Penn State sex scandal prompts 2 resignations

It's he should have ( with some people ) but he did his duty. That to me contradicts that he should have called the police. It would be like me saying I shouldn't have hit you, but you did deserve it.

 

Right, if someone has a gun or a bomb, you call the police. If something is going to be PR disastrous like this, you call your bosses, and as high up as you can go to alert them first. This wasnt a situation where death was imminent or even likely.

The facts of the story cant really be disputed dude. This is sworn testimony that has been deemed consistent with initial statements and has passed every test its been given. If the man didnt know, he didnt know.

 

Yes, if violence, or fire, or threats, basically anything thats a felony and not something such as someone doing something illegal business wise we are to inform the cops. You are trying to compare child molestation to unlawful contract negotiations.
I'm not disputing the facts. But you just changed it again. Did he know? Did he have an idea? If he did to what extent? You just went from stating he didn't completely know to, he didn't know again.
What we do know is he had a coach, tell him he witnessed something. We do know he discussed it with his higher ups rather then even submitting a police report. He did then hand it off to someone else to handle. He did not follow it up. Those are the facts.

 

Could any of you continue to work with someone who has raped a child? I know I couldn't and I would do everything in my power to see what was being done about it.
Personally going to the authorities included.

 

Not to mention the dumb *** coach who left Sandusky raping the boy and called his dad.
Who wouldn't try to break it up or go kick his ***. People are stupid.

 

In my opinion the only thing sad about this possibility is that Paterno will only have to live with the consequences of his inaction for a short time, while the kids Sandusky raped have to live a whole lifetime dealing with it...

I do have sympathy for Paterno's family and anyone attached to the PSU program who had no knowledge of this situation, because they will bare the stain of Paterno's inaction long after he is dead and gone.

 

Pa should have called the PSP period.....Joe was Penn State, who was telling that guy sh$t.....?

He could have been the guy who stopped this all, THAT could have been his greatest legacy, by sitting everyone down and saying he wanted a definitive action plan...one that included firing people and 5-0's being called........If one was short of this (like it was here) of going to the real godamn authorities, he should have went to the authorities....

Lets get this straight, AD's aren't authorities, Campus PD isnt the authorities....some of these Colleges and Universities swear they above the law....all this did was go from a cover-up of self-serving interests....TO WHAT MOST LIKELY IS GOING TO END UP AS THE FBI STORMING IN THE FRONT DOOR....just change the name of the school FBIU.....Lord knows just how many crimes were committed, and of what nature...

If you can seriously sit here and argue on the side of Pa, you are looking for excuses....

Any sexual offender should be hanged point blank....and no I dont think Pa is one......

 

I could see there being some mixed emotions about turning your friend in. But if I decide not to hand him over to the cops I would have to actively work to make sure he doesn't hurt another kid, knowing full well that if he hurt another it would be on me.

I don't get that one at all. I don't see how you can walk away and leave the kid in the room.

 

The campus PD is actually authority in this instance, they have the same authority as any municipal police dept.

JoePa wouldn't have done anything wrong had he personally went to or contacted campus police.

 

It depends the campus securities vary. They do have supreme authority over their campuses. Not all have investigative units, etc. He still could have gone to the regular police.

 

Legally I don't think he did anything wrong....PSU PD has the same authority as municipals? Stand corrected then, I didn't know that, over here they don't even carry firearms

 

I know it varies, I'm specifically saying in the case of PSU their campus police has the same authority as any municipal police dept in the state of Pennsylvania. Whether they would've had to call in help from another body to investigate is likely something that would have had to happen, but that's true for many small police forces. It doesn't diminish the authority of that police dept. These guys aren't rent-a-cops, but it sure seems like many people (not all here) are painting them as such.

 

Yes, legally Paterno didn't do anything wrong. It was still wrong (as he admits) to only go to the AD (and I think he should've called the AD) and not look into it further himself.

 

Again, yes they have supreme authority on campus, sometimes reaching further, here for instance they can patrol parts of the freeway.
Again, paterno could have gone to the city autorities and more then likely the uni cops would have assisted them.

 

Where do you get that Im comparing this to contract negotiations? Dude, thats so off base.
I didnt change the story at all, the facts being released are what changed since last night. Like I said, this is sworn testimony that has been deemed consistent with initial statements and has passed every test its been given. If the man didnt know, he didnt know.

Sandusky hasnt been on the Penn State staff since 99...so he didnt continue to work with him. IMO his only fault lies in the fact that he didnt take it to the authorities. He knew there was something going on, though its clear he didnt know to what extent, so he should have gone to the police.

Does he deserve to be fired over the fact that he was told by his bosses that they had taken it to the police and lied to him about it? Thats what I dispute. I think he should have gone to the police and he should have followed up but its tough to go to the police when you really dont have any facts beyond a coach who was hysterical and whose story was indecipherable.

 

Here's where the problem with your argument comes from:

First you say, since this a work environment, he had an obligation to go his superiors first to avoid scandal. But then, you completely throw out the work environment and say he shouldn't be fired to avoid scandal. Which is it?

 

Sure, but the question is, what would have led him to believe that the police he reported this to did not handle this matter properly?

 

Not sure, perhaps because no interviews were done? From what I've read seems like it just disappeared. Where were the interviews with his staff? Players? The kids in the program?

 

IMO the fault lies in the fact that he saw the guy still hanging around the facility with more young boys and didn't follow up. There's nothing legally wrong with what he did, but there is an image problem with being seen as this paternal figure and not following up when a person you know has preyed on young boys continues to show up at your facility with young boys.

 

I said in my corporation anything basically having to do with violence is reported immediately to the police, a comparison you started.
You said only for things like shootings or bomb threats.
I said no anything basically having to do with major felonies and violence such as assaults, shootings, etc.
The only time we report it to our own company and lawyers first, is when it is something like improper/illegal contract negotiations. So yes, in a sense you are comparing it to that and not to the violent act it is.
And yes, you are still contradicting yourself. Did he have an idea this was going on? I think he did. I think it will come out they let him retire to avoid scandal. Knowing what we know now though however, did paterno do the right thing? No you yourself admit then when you say he should have pursued it further. So if he should have pursued it further then how did he not know it was going on? It's contradictory.

 

I just dont see the contradiction youre trying to line up there bro...

 

The guy was 70+ years old. Its very likely that his superiors told him that an investigation was done, and it was determined that nothing wrong happened, was a misunderstanding, etc.

I'm not defending anyone here. Its very possible Paterno did know what was going on and didn't do what he should have. I'm just suggesting that we should not assume that Paterno knew what was going on and covered anything up. For all we know, Paterno was deceived by those above him.

 

The guy is 70 years old and can still run a major college program..................
Paterno could have avoided a lot of it if he had done the right thing in the first place and called the cops immediately. He also could have followed up. And yes there is evidence to anyone stopping to think about it, that there was no investigation. The coach that saw it for instance, it never dawned on him that he didn't recieve a call from the cops or child welfare to do an interview?

 

Paterno notified the head of campus police immediately.

 

Actually he notified the ad from what I'm reading who brought in the campus cop. And why all of a sudden is dialing 911 out of the question for everyone?

 

You're not seeing the point. This is a huge precedent where the rule of the media comes into play. If Paterno did something wrong, then in the future we know that moral culpability and what should have been done DO MATTER. If that's the case then let's do this in all cases.

 

You're saying its ok for Paterno to want avoid scandal for the school, but its not ok for the school to want to avoid scandal by firing Paterno.

 

To whom are you referring to?

 

On another note, if there were prior incidents that occurred at sanduskys house, as seems to be the case, then eventually it would have ended up in the city pd's laps anyways.

 

You have to remember that there were accusations made in 1998. There was a police investigation, which resulted in no charges against Sandusky.

 

Dude, I respect you A LOT, but you are way, I mean way off base here..

You are really grasping for straws. Are you going to seriously tell me that the first thought in your mind if you saw a 10 year old child getting *** raped by a sick perverted whacko in a public shower is to worry about the PR consequences? Surely you can't be serious... I just can't fathom that you actually believe what you wrote.

Sandusky was carrying a bomb in his pants and his actions are akin to murder. That poor child may be suicidal, maniacal or just plain ape-sh*t crazy after being exposed to a sicko like Sandusky. I've been around people that were damaged by child molesters, and let me tell you, they may as well (not all but I'm certain a good percentage of them) have been murdered as they live tormented lives filled with shame, fear and guilt. A good percentage of the prison population has been sexually / mentally molested as children.

Sorry Boik, but your attempt to excuse this behavior and find loopholes shows a level of ignorance on the issue. Let me ask you this, how would you have reacted if you saw a young child getting anally penetrated by a 60 year old man in a public shower? If it was my father I would call the cops immediately. If it was my best friend for the past 25 years I would call the police. No question about it.

 

Also they told him they reported it to the authorities. Not sure why one would call the police they told you they did.

 

No, Im saying Paterno doesnt deserve to be fired irregardless of the separate media coverage/scandal that firing JoePa brings.

 

Eh I can see how it would help dissuade paterno, but it could also help persuade him.

 

And again, how did no one notice a lack of investigation?

 

There were investigations. There were previous investigations that resulted in police reports being given to the district attorneys office, who subsequently decided not to file charges.

 

In 98. Not with the shower incident which is what people keep pointing to.

 

What was the difference between the process that led to the investigation being handed to the DA in 98, and the process that Paterno participated in in 2002?

My point here is that Paterno was likely under the impression that all these incidents were being investigated properly. The fact that the 98 investigation ended up with the DA provided him some type of assurance that this wouldn't have been swept under the rug. What was the reasoning behind the DA not filing charges in 98? Would it have been reasonable for Paterno to assume that same reasoning was used yet again?

 

That's where I'm stuck at and upset at lol. That's where Paterno failed, imo.

 

That wouldn't have been my response. I generally avoid bringing the cops in whenever I can. In this instance, I thought Paterno did the right thing by going to the AD. There was no immediate danger by the time he found out and he had a duty to consider the school's reputation. However, he failed when he saw the same man regular on campus with other adolescent boys and didn't follow up.