ALLEDGED - Penn State sex scandal prompts 2 resignations

I cannot believe anyone would/could defense anyone on PSU's staff

 

Did you read the Grand Jury report?

If not, this is one of the problems today, to much emotion, not enough facts, be outraged when you are told to be outraged, say nothing when nothing is said.

 

Well there are numerous people on PSU staff who not only had no involvement in any of this, but plenty of PSU staffers were not around 10+ years ago. Just because someone works at PSU doesn't make them guilty of something.

 

Yes I did. And yes I believe what I said still.

I meant anyone involved, obviously not asst trainers, current grad assistants, and the mascot.

 

Direct quote from Jo Pa. He admits, and know's he should have done more. How could anyone defend his lack of actions?

 

Barring it says paterno called the police, then it's pretty much meaningless. This is the thing wrong with people today, too busy trying to defend their sports heroes because they can throw a little ball around.

 

I'm not quite sure how well Paterno can throw a little ball around.

I did find it interesting in the report that victim 1's mother called her child's school to notify them of the wrongdoing, and then the school called the police. It didn't say the mother called the police at all.

 

So you're not sure he can't either.......

 

Really? The culpability is on the victims families rather than PSU athletics for the coverup? Hilarious. What about the initial DA who investigated this AND SUBSEQUENTLY WENT MISSING AND IS ASSUMED DEAD? Is that the parents fault too?

 

I was thinking the problem was a complete lack of common sense and good parenting, but that works too.

 

I hadn't even heard about this yet. Link?

 

I'm not sure where I placed blame of anything on any parents (especially considering victim 1 is from 2008, while the PSU issue starts in 1998 or 2002), but if you want to blame some for a missing DA you're welcome to.

I merely found it interesting because most everyone here says the 1st person to call is the police, so I'd have thought the Mother would call them 1st (maybe she did) rather than the school.

 

Heh, wrong.

I just find it laughable that anyone who has a shred of intellectual honesty would blather about something without arming themselves with the facts as best as they are able to do so, the report is at the link, read it otherwise the blah blah is just regurgiatation of some media types thinking.

"Oh Jim Rome says I should be outraged, so I'm going to be outraged!"

And that is being charitable, if some chatterbox is not informing ones' opinion, and there is no idea of what happened, then raging from a position of ignorance is...well...rather vapid.

 

Give me a ****ing break. I read the whole thing, and came away even more disgusted knowing the details of Sandusky's actions. Joe Paterno told his AD. He should of told the police. After all, this was Sandusky raping 10 year old boys in the showers of Pennsylvania State University, not handing out wads of cash to players. Paterno admits he wish he did more. End of story.

 

nY daily news had it today, ill het it when im home.

 

I find it funny you try to attribute my feelings to a sports personality rather then address anything I said. If your opinions are your own you might want to do some reading so you can actually address what it is I said.

 

No one is doing that. And it is such a bs tactic to say we are.

FACT: Sandusky molested children.
FACT: He got caught.
FACT: The person that caught him told Paterno.
FACT: Paterno did nothing but tell his boss.
FACT: That was all anyone did until it went away.
FACT: It blew up in their faces, years later.
FACT: In his retirement statement, Paterno admits two things: 1. He wishes he had done more. 2. He admits his priorities are to the good of the school only.

Seems the only one without any facts is you.

 

Lucky said, point blank, it was "pointless to read unless"

IE, ignorance is preferrable, that's fine, but expect to be called out on it.


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Did you read the grand jury report?

What do you base "he told them" on? You do realize they flat out lied to him, even when Schultz ran the campus police department? They lied to him about having Child Welfare investigate the chargers as well.

And yet, he was supposed to disregard that, because, well, he has superhuman powers to tell when his ****ing boss is lying to him.

How stupid of me.

 

Once again, dead wrong, your view is disregardable as soon as you decided it was not important to base that opinion on anything other then what you were told.

I do not give two damns about Paterno, or PSU, the sports entities, what I do care about is being oh so sure that one is right, without even bothering, and worse, rejecting, information that you know, you could base an informed and intellectually honest opinion upon.

 

He did tell the police, Schultz ran the PSU campus police dept, and he told Paterno that they looked into it, and they had child welfare look into it, and the claims had no merit.

Which BTW, is the same thing that happened in 1998 when both investigated an earlier allegation and they came up with nothing.

Link to the report is on the prior page, pgs 7-10, unless one enjoys reading about some really sick ****, I'd recommend just skipping to those pages.

 

I never said that. You never asked where my opinions are coming from. And again address what I said, or feel free to go read a book about how to present an actual argument, as I see through your bs. There is nothing in there about paterno calling the police. Nothing that says he tried again to see what was going on with sandusky. Those are the facts. If you want to do an end around those, some of which even you presented, by all means. But the only one being intellectually dishonest, is you.

 

So let me get this straight.

A walking institution like Joe Pa, has a right hand man molesting kids. He only tells his boss, forget the fact that Sandusky could be fired by Joe himself. And that's all there is to it for you. Joe told his boss, not the police, but his boss, and that's it. All's well.

Talk about head in the sand. Basically what you're saying is that JoePa, who has been a big time coach for decades put the lives of the raped children first by....telling his boss.

JoePa thought nothing more than saving the school and by extension his reputation or he would have gone to the police himself. Same with every other person that dropped the ball along the way.

Oh and great job crying about facts, then disregarding the ones I posted.

 

Initial DA Investigating Sandusky goes missing, presumed dead: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...erry-sandusky-disappeared-05-article-1.974806

 

Okay.

What does "a walking institution" mean? Recall this was alleged in 98, investigated and found to baseless, Sandusky had retired at that point, he had a Professor Emeritus job with PSU, he did not work for Paterno.

His Boss, Schultz, also was the head of the campus PD.

"Big time coach" again, what does that mean, does it confer super human powers of discernment?

Paterno was lied to by his superiors, he is a coach, not a police detective, that was his bosses role.

As soon as he was lied to, it was over, why would paterno question them when they told him "nothing happened"?

 

Pfft, then what, exactly, did you base your opinion on? I offered you a link to the report, you dismissed it out of hand as you had preformed your conclusion, it said "X" or it was worthless, you tell me.

The fact is, Paterno was lied to by his superiors, he had no reason to disbelieve them, if one could present a cogent argument why he should have disbelieved them, by all means present it.

 

I'm not trying to be nitpicky, but Sandusky didn't hold a job on Paterno's staff in 2002 and I don't think he could be "fired" by Paterno or anything like that.

I don't know that anything has shed light on exactly what McQueary (sp?) said to Paterno so he may not have thought (or at least known definitively) rape was taking place, so I'm not sure how much his head could be labeled as in the sand. Generally I agree with you that he should've done more than just telling his boss (though I do think he should have told his boss).

 

I'm basing them on news reports. That has nothing to do with jim rome. And I took a look at your link. My point still stands. Now again address my point, or admit you have none.

 

The first action Paterno should have taken would have been to inform the police and fire the coach ,indistinctly from what the Admins decided to do .

He had the power to fire a member of his coaching staff.The matter would have been over without much media attention.


He did not do that so he bears the responsability and should step down IMO.

 

Wasn't on his staff when it was brought to his attention, so not sure he could fire him (the guy was retired).

And I definitely think it would've got a lot of media attention, albeit less than it does now (but that's more a function of how news is today versus 10 yrs ago).

 

The amount of people in this thread defending Paterno and Penn St. makes me sick to my stomach. It's fu*king disgusting.

 

"Walking legend" & "big time coach", means JoePa, doesn't need permission from his boss to call the cops. If the school tried to discipline him for going to the cops about a kid rapist, the backlash would be stronger than it is today, only in favor of Joe instead of against.

If he had outed Sandusky like he should have done, the school and Paterno wouldn't have taken a hit. In fact, the opposite.

He buried his head in the sand. He is supposed to be one of the all time great leaders and he passed the buck. Again, this isn't about a player DUI or cheating on a test, this is about his right hand man, second in charge raping children.

 

I believe it was the original District Attorney investigating the case that went missing, not a former AD.

 

the fact that the initial DA in charge of this case apparently got ****ing whacked isnt troubling? This thing is INSANE.

 

Actually no, Paterno has taken lie detector tests that show he was telling the truth when he said he didnt know. Its in the affidavit. This is something I just found out around 5PM. Now if this thing goes to a trial and Sandusky said he did know then theres a real problem for Paterno. But the DA has already said she's not going after Paterno anyway...no one has any real interest in putting an 85 year old coaching legend in jail.

No, the sworn statement that Paterno gave police was that his assistant, McQueary, came to him hysterical and did not explain the full extent of the situation. McQueary then went to the AD and campus security with it who were told the full story, and have been indited because their statements about not knowing and doing nothing about it have proven to be false.

Paterno's fault lies at the fact he should have been suspicious after the 1998 and 2002 incidents because I find it hard to believe a 30 page report could be issued about someone on his staff and he not know about it. But no one can really prove that he did or did not know.

 

I have been going at it with the defenders in another forum, it's stunning the lengths some are willing to go to defend Paterno and give him the benefit of the doubt every step of the way, and like you it has left me completely disgusted. And these posters are not even Penn State fans are alumni, I just don't get it, what does this man have over people they are willing to sacrifice their morals?

EDIT: on the morals thing, I was referring to some who said if it was them in Paterno's shoes they too would have told their superiors and then do nothing else, even if they no action was taken.

 

I did a google search and got no hits, where are you getting that Paterno passed a test?

 

Francesa on WFAN around 615ish PM.

The other thing I got off that show was that supposedly Paterno is still a trustee on the board of The Second Mile which is Sandsky's charity. However that lends me to believe that Paterno really did not know because why in the world would Paterno who has run a relatively clean program for the last 46 years, this incident or serious of incidents aside, affiliate himself with a man he knew was a child molester.

 

The Penn State program is hardly 'clean', there are incidents that conveniently went away. Bobby Engram broke into someone's house and stole their stereo and some other stuff, it basically went away. Phil Yeboa-Kodi had DUI's etc, and yet he never faced anything either. Brad Scioli jumped from the roof of a house and slid down a light pole naked as he was drunk - he was underage at the time.

Stuff like that happens all over the place. State College is Paternoville, the ability for a student to get a C in that University is pretty easy, they used to give it a 20 point or better cushion to allow athlete's to maintain their eligibility. It was referred to as the Paterno C.

When I was there, Paterno used to send the AD out to his car to get his briefcase if he forgot it.

 

Francesa said it? And he knew, there is no way he couldn't have known after 2002 that this man should be nowhere near children. And I don't put much credence in that because he was still on the Second Mile's board of trustee's that he didn't know.

I can't understand why so many people are carrying water for Paterno.

 

Well, actually, that is NOT neccessarily a good thing B14, see one of the actions they took in 02 was to inform 2nd mile that Sandusky was messing around with children, the actual wording escapes me, but it was something along those lines on pgs 7-11 or so of the Grand Jury report.

Then again, you know what "on the board of directors" can mean, collect a check, get a free vacation etc.