ALLEDGED - Penn State sex scandal prompts 2 resignations

Also to me there is one key point being left out here: At one point a former Athletic Director of Penn State went missing. This was after the incidents with Sandusky started happening. The man's car and home have been found in tact but the former AD still had not been found. Why has the connection still not been made with Sandusky and the missing AD?

 

Since Sandusky decided to nail some kid in the shower.

 

This is where your off base. Your first thought is firing Sandusky. Paterno should of immediately went to the police. He didn't. But he could of corrected the problem when after he seen they did not go to the authorities, he could of still went to them! and he did NOTHING!

 

Exactly Lucky, a child being raped is a criminal matter no matter who did it or where it happened, the only reason one would go to school authorities rather than the police is to protect their own interests/legacy. It's a cowardly act that shows no interest in the well being of the victim or any future victims that would be prey to Sandusky due to Paterno and company's lack of proper action.

 

There is no damn totem pole when you know of someone raping young boys. I am sorry, but that is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

I really want this question answered.

You are telling me that if you walked into your bathroom at work, and found some 10 year old boy being raped by a coworker, you should go to your boss about it? and when he does nothing about it, just move on?

 

At some point yes Paterno should have gone to the police. But no, it should not have been the first thing. The first thing is to go to your superiors and let them know that a poopstorm is coming and its about to hit the fan. You have to, as an organization or university or business, line up how you want to handle said poopstorm. That is where Paterno failed but thats a morality issue not a legal issue. He could have done more but he is not required to even if he is the great Joe Paterno.

My first thought wouldnt be firing Sandusky, he's getting jail time anyway. My first thought if I was in a position of authority at a university or business is separating the university as much as possible from the actions of one sick individual who on his own decided to molest young boys. At some point you have to go to the appropriate authorities, but first you line up your position as quickly as possible because your PR hit is going to be catastrophic in an instance like this. PSU is going to get nailed with likely a 9 digit class action lawsuit here but it doesnt take a decade to lineup their legal defense. Thats why I hold the University President and the AD more accountable then Paterno. Paterno went to the appropriate people who should have made their PR team aware of this and then went to the police.

 

Thats not what I am saying at all. In my case I probably go to HR with it and my boss as well my bosses boss. If they do nothing within a short amount of time (say a day or so tops) then I go to the police. Like I said, Paterno COULD have done more but he told his boss as well as his bosses boss. If you work for an organization and value your employee status you dont just go running to the press and to the police. You give your organization a chance to prepare first then you fulfill your legal and moral obligation to go to the police.

 

Who cares who is more at fault though. Young boys were raped and it is something that Paterno could of stop. That is a fact! Paterno is a piece of **** as far as I am concerned. I am not going to sit here are argue whether it was a morality issue or a legal issue. Because that doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is, Joe Paterno knew of little boys being raped and never went to the authorities. **** a PR hit.

If Paterno knew of another assistant coach murdering someone and simply went to the AD about it, that is wrong. But this is worse. So much worse.

 

Oh no. Your right. Just gave him long enough to rape more young boys.

 

I see some one in a bad car crash: I call the cops.
I see some one getting assaulted: I call the cops.
I see some one kidnapping a kid: I call the cops.
Takes like ten seconds.
All of them. They did nothing. They walked away. And they left a predator to keep preying on kids.

 

So basically you'd just let all chaos break lose instead of letting the people who are paid to handle poopstorms like this do their job. And at some point you may even incriminate yourself or interject yourself as a party liable for letting things happen as you say since you are then accusing someone of something. Doesnt sound like a very logical position.

Like I said, Paterno has some culpability in this because he didnt go as far as he should. But to say Paterno is a piece of **** like he was enabling Sandusky to do this just is not true. Additionally, Paterno was the reason Sandusky resigned from the university because Paterno had not retired as soon as he had initially told Sandusky, who was his likely successor, he was going to. So the two were already not on speaking terms when this even broke and Sandusky resigned his position from the Paterno staff in 1999. Once Sandusky was gone from Paterno's staff then Paterno's culpability ends because, and here is where things get tricky, the university president Graham Spanier approved the idea from AD Tim Curley and senior VP for Finance and Business Gary Schultz (who was in charge of campus police and security) that telling Sandusky not to bring any children from Second Mile to the football building. The indictment being issued here is that Curley and Schultz lied to a grand jury about ever being informed of sexual activity by then graduate assistant now assistant coach Mike McQueary and never even went to the police with it.

 

So basically go into cover your *** mode, then you know save the children.

 

I'm curious how this is (so much) worse than covering up a murder, or covering up several murders?

 

Are you serious man? Really I just can't believe you are serious. I am sorry, but when a ****ing child is being raped, I am not going to say to myself, "well I better go to the my ****ing boss cause this won't look so good for the ****ing company".

And please explain how Paterno wasn't enabling him, when, and these are facts. Paterno KNEW he raped a young boy. NEVER, and I repeat that, NEVER went to the cops. And then more boys were raped in later years instead of this ******* sitting in ****ing prison or better yet dead in prison. I am so appalled by this story and with everything that has happened and with everyone that knew about this that I am literally sick to my stomach.

An it blows my damn mind that someone would say "well, he told his boss, so ya know. Hes not wrong"

 

done!

 

Ok?

 

If that was Joe Pas 10 year old grandson being raped in a shower, you damn well better bet he'd of called the cops.

 

So the Hurricanes are threatened with the "Death Penalty" because a booster hooked players up with expensive meals and toys, but no mention of this for Penn State, where an AD, other memebers of the team, a coach on your sidelines and Paterno stood silent as kids were getting raped and abused by a seriel predator?? This piece of human vermin had FOOTBALL camps for children after the initial allegations and nobody said a word.

Paterno doesn't deserve to be spared, he deserves to go to prison for not being enough of a man or having enough morality in his bones to take action after the AD and Penn State initiated a cover-up to protect the school. In fact, it wouldn't suprise me if Paterno was involved in the cover up, or if a few others involved in this fiasco are child molesters themselves..

So when does Penn State start offering NAMBLA 101 classes?

 

The way the world is now where you get sued for looking at people wrong you basically have no choice! Is Paterno involved with campus security to the extent that would be necessary to look in to something like this? No. Is he a PR man where he would know how to handle this publicly? Well to some degree every football coach knows a little about dealing with the press but again, no. As an employee of an organization or university you should be looking out for your companies best interest. Since Paterno is not properly suited to alone handle this, why should he be the main one accountable for it? His only accountability is that he never went to the police. For an educator of young men like Paterno has always been, his failure is a moral one; at some point the light should have gone on and said enough time has passed by that I should go to the police with it. That is my only objection to what Paterno failed to do.

Im not disagreeing with you that he should have gone to the cops. Im disagreeing with you over the sequence of events and how it should have happened.

 

I can't see very many lawsuits. He's reporting an allegation for the cops to investigate. And no one said he was the one man accountable. But he had the most power. He's an icon. And again no one is saying he was legally libel, at least from what I've read about penn law. You are going off in weird tangents now. Point is, he should have, could have gone to the cops. He should have/ could have pressed the issue. But instead, with his silence he helped cover it up. There is no getting around that.

 

Sadly, there is nothing done that is any sort of NCAA violation so there would be no reason for the death penalty. In all likelihood though, this will have a more lasting affect on the athletics program than any death penalty ever could. So some people who would like to see the death penalty could at least gain some very small satisfaction in that regard.

 

This thing needs to put people in the ground. Its horrible.

 

What's worse is that AFTER these allegations came out, Sandusky was still conducting football camps with young children... And nobody said a word.

People like Sandusky are not caught the first time they do something like this. In fact, they aren't caught the first 100 times. Penn State is in some deep sh*t. Deep sh*t. The kids will start coming out of the woodwork. I was listening to Jim Rome and one of the parents that sent their kid to camp remembered that Sandusky was like a grandpa to them, they would all get in a big pool and go swimming with him.. Who knows how many kids he groped or may have touched up on... The lawyers representing the school are in for a lot work.. Forget about the poor kids that did get molested, you will have opportunists that will sue the school as well.. This is the tip of the iceberg.

 

Not just football camps, but he had his whole 2nd Mile charity too.

 

Thats the thing though, he doesnt have the most power. An AD and VP of Finance and Business (who was in charge of campus security) rank above Paterno as does the school president. Yes, he should have gone to the police. Ive said that at least a few times now. But that doesnt necessarily mean he should get fired when everyone up to the university president was aware and they were the ones in charge of the situation and did nothing.

My prior post was not a tangent, they are facts. And bank on it, if the report is proven right, that over 20 alleged incidents took place on the campus of PSU then its going to be a massive class action lawsuit. Bank on it. Lives are going to be forever affected by this which is why Nappy was getting upset. If you read the 23 page indictment, the details are pretty disgusting and abhorring and if they are proven to be truthful....those are the types of cases some lawyers dream of.

And IF Penn State ever recovers from this, they will never be looked at in the same light again. And IF it does happen that they recover from this, its going to take at least a good 15-20 years for it to happen.

 

Sorry but no.

The first thing you do as the university is call in the authorities for two reasons:

1. Its the right thing to do.
2. Its the best, most efficient and effective way for the university to distance itself from the crime. No one can seriously accuse the school of trying to cover it up if they immediately informed the authorities. Taking a day or two or years to decide how to proceed, all the while the miserable bastard can keep effing kids, makes you guilty.

Every last person passed the buck on this one. And each one needs to be punished for that decision, whether it be by the law, by the school or by having a bull**** unimportant football legacy tarnished.

My god, this is raping children we're talking about here, not missing a curfew.

 

We may be talking tens of millions of dollars, if not more.. In addition to the countless boosters and donators that will send their money elsewhere...

Pretty large implications.. It's not like these guys have the $$$$ of the Catholic Church.. This could have the impact you envision.. Very easily.

 

There would have been riots if paterno got fired for reporting a child molester. Come on now. Everyone and their mother would have supported him, because he's joe paterno the coach and he would have been joe paterno the great human being. If he walked into that office and said I'm not getting along with the AD you don't think they'd tell the AD to cool it? How much money do you think the name joe paterno pulls in?
And he's not being fired he's retiring. Know why? Because he knows he can never sit in another mothers living room, or send out another scout and say "trust me, I'll look after your son"

 

As I am apparently the only former PSU player to not have been raped by Sandusky that this is a ****ing embarrassment on many levels.

 

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I wouldn't be suprised if Sandusky was the only sicko/pervert involved in this.. I know I'll probably be ridiculed here, but how do we know a few of these other people involvd in the coverup didn't commit or condone these crimes? It's one thing to remain silent - It's another thing to let Sandusky operate within your school knowing what you know.. Seems very strange to me.

 

What players have said they were raped?

 

Not sure why you'd be ridiculed, I'm sure it is a line of thought that will be thoroughly investigated.

 

Well, I am implying not to rule anything out.. I mean this guy coached under Paterno for decades.. Who knows what Paterno was up to during that time as well??? Pretty scary to think about

 

While I don't believe Paterno himself is someone who would do such a thing, it's something that needs to be explored in an instance like this (as sucky as it might be for an "innocent" person). Like you say, you can't rule out anything.

 

I think its a valid point but for a slightly different reason then you mention. I'm not sure anyone else was involved sexually with the children but their reason for not reporting it probably had a lot to do with how many millions of dollars the PSU football program generates for the school. I dont say that as an excuse, rather just their greed showing through. They didnt want their pockets affected by the sick acts of one knucklehead who for all of his heinous acts, the PSU football program has not been nearly as good since Sandusky left. He was the architect for their championship defense so youre talking a time where the football revenue was probably peaking.

 

Hmm, better luck at OU?



With any scandal, be it Shapiro and the U, or PSU, my first and foremost question is always:

"What are the provable facts"?

I saw a grand jury report mentioned, does it mention Paterno actually doing something, you know, illegal?

From what I've heard, a Assistant Coach saw Sandusky molesting a young boy in the shower, and told that to Paterno, who told the Admin who investigated the allegation, along with the PA dept of social services, who found no merit to the allegations.

Where is Paterno's malfeasance?

 

unreal

 

For those who are basing their views, on pretty much what other people tell them, here is the grand jury report:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/06/sports/ncaafootball/20111106-pennstate-document.html

Courtesy of Section126.

The grad asst told Paterno, he told his superiors, who told him they had informed the campus police (which are actual police BTW), and Social Services, the fact is they made no such report to either agency, the Admins then got back to Paterno and told him the report was investigated and Sandusky banned from bringing the teens in the 2nd mile program on campus (pgs 8-10) or so.

One of the Admins actually is the CEO of the campus PD, Schultz, he never reported the incident.

A third episode appears to have happened in 2010, with Curley and Schultz once again covering it up.

 

JoePa's moral obligation did not end at telling his "boss". One's moral obligation ends with informing the police. By going to your boss not just first but only, you've made a clear decision to put the importance of the school's rep ahead of raped children.

As far as what one knows, JoePa's own words in his statement released today back that up.

And to be clear, the assistant coach that witnessed it, JoePa, the AD, president of the school and everyone else in tyhat chain of command that passed responsibility to the next person all deserve to be sodomized.

 

Priest gets accused of molestation.
people tell their leaders.
Leaders say its been investigated and the priest has been transferred.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm oddly similar. But hey at least paterno can draw a series of x's and o's on the chalk board.