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Akin Ayodele and Channing Crowder - The Worst Tackling ILBs in the NFL

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  1. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Footballoutsiders.com has a game-charting program where they chart "untraditional" stats such as dropped interceptions and the like. In their recent profile of the AFC East, they had this to say about our ILBs:

    "The Dolphins need linebackers. One of last year's outside starters is already gone (Porter) and the other is too old to play every down (Taylor). The situation at inside linebacker is also a problem; Akin Ayodele, long a solid but unspectacular player, had a tough 2009. This year we tracked broken tackles for the first time as part of the FO game charting project; the numbers are still very preliminary, but right now we have Ayodele with the worst "broken tackle percentage" among all inside linebackers, 16 percent. (That's broken tackles divided by tackles + assists + broken tackles.) Channing Crowder comes in third at 11.5 percent, behind Ayodele and the Chiefs' Corey Mays." link: http://footballoutsiders.com/four-downs/2010/four-downs-afc-east

    I knew those guys sucked, but that's pathetic!!! Its not like they were any good in coverage, either. I don't think we can "overpay" for Dansby. Not with Ayodele and Crowder as our current starters.
     
  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    So basically Crowder and Ayodele tackled like pee wee football players?

    Nice.

    We need an all new Lb Corps...:pity:
     
  3. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    I don't think our dire need for an ILB this off season was a secret for anyone on these boards. I think Crowder might be decent if his game comes back to 2008 form and we put a serious ILB next to him. Problem is: who? Dansby I hope!
     
  4. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I've been saying our linebackers suck now everyone is starting to get it.
    and people still want jt back. :lol:
    we need to purge this group and start over
    wake is the only guy who sticks and he is a project/ hasn't played linebacker
    anderson and moses are okay depth maybe
    the inside linebackers are garbage
    sign dansby and draft 2 or 3 olb's
     
  5. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Still would not be enough, as we would also need to ILB's, one to replace Akin Ayodele and one to replace Reggie "toast" Torbor.

    That is 4 new Lb's.
     
  6. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If we spent our first 4 draft picks on LBs (inside and outside), I wouldn't be shocked and I wouldn't question the judgment.
     
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  7. azfinfanmang

    azfinfanmang Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Not really news to some of us that watched closely.
    Adell is simply HORRIBLE.
    Crowder was very mediocre, is slow and takes very bad angles.
     
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  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, we could just as easily sign two FA's and bump Wake and Anderson up into larger roles and use later picks for the ILB need, a cat like Joe Pawalek would make sense in the 6th rd.
     
  9. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Yeah, I don't think you'll get much of an argument (supporting any of our LB's) on this board. There pretty much needs to be a complete overhaul of the LB corp. Sign Dansby, draft Graham at #12, hope like hell one of Hughes, Weatherspoon or Spikes is there at #43. Then take best BPA (with an emphasis on D, especially LB's) the rest of the way.

    Not to get off topic, but if we were to follow that strategy, then the question becomes how do we go about upgrading WR/TE? And, what about FS? :confused2:
     
  10. padre31

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    Sign Antonio Bryant and Ben Watson...draft a cat like TJ Ward in the 3rd.
     
  11. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Didnt take long for this thread to get derailed
    as usual :wink2:
     
  12. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    He did ask a legit question, if we pour draft picks into the LB position it would not make the problems at Wr and Te go away..do try to keep up KP..:wink2:
     
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  13. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    :lol:
    i was telling you at the end of the season how bad the linebackers were and you kept on defending them
    now you say we need new ones

    now you tell me to keep up :lol:

    nice lift there pod :up:
     
  14. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Tsk tsk, for myself I defended JP and JT, never was a fan of Crowder or Akin A, not after last season.

    And do keep up with the question Gmen asked, namely drafting all Lb's does not address other needs, but signing Watson and Bryant would..:wink2:
     
  15. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Sounds about right.
     
  16. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    yeah I got it and not a bad answerer just saying why is it that all the threads here get sidetracked quicker than poo through a goose.
    who really sees us going four straight lb's anyways
     
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  17. MikeHoncho

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    Ouch
     
  18. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I still don't think tight end is a "problem", sure we could always upgrade and if Ben Watson were to be signed I'd be happy about it but I think Fasano will have a good rebound year.

    TE is certainly a better situation than ILB, OLB and FS.
     
  19. padre31

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    We need 4 imho, two Ilb's and 2 OLB's, Torbor and Akin A really should be leaving, and JP will be leaving and even if JT stays he clearly is not a 900 snaps per yr player anymore.

    Now if Dansby is signed that removes one need, but there are three more legit needs to be met moving forwards.
     
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  20. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    yes and yes
    draft young players and play young players.
    the one thing with dansby is the rumors are swirling he will be SOLB on 1st and 2nd down an move inside on 3rd down. (did dumerville do the same?) which still dictates ilb help needed and replace the dinosaurs on the outside still so yeah we are on the same page
    linebackers on this team have to be addressed immediately because they are the weakest area
    jt is an afterthought
     
  21. padre31

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    Disagree about JT, imho he can be a valuable role player on the nickel passrush line, may be 250 snaps, sort of "our" 07 Mike Strahan.
     
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  22. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    we'll see what the fo thinks but we aren't going to the SB anyways this season
    i was leaning more towards the long term future of the defense where jt has no importance
    time to get younger and better

    plus you did say earlier in the thread we need an all new lb corps. just saying :P
     
  23. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, the role JT would have wouldn't interfere with a younger player's snaps, it is basically Wake's role from 09, but he may not sign on for it so he could be leaving anyway.
     
  24. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    wakes role in 09 could be wakes role in'10. we heard Ireland say he has improved but we don't know how much he has developed from having his hand on the ground 99.9 % of the time.
    That intrigues me quite a bit.
     
  25. padre31

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    Wake is the new #2...JT is now #6....:shifty:

    Wake is going to fill the Dumevil role KP, basically rush the passer 70% of the time..
     
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  26. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I have been saying that for some time. Our lb situation has to be among the worst in the NFL. If the fins sign Dansby they are still going to need another Cole and at least one other inside backer.
     
  27. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    ah the speculated mike nolan plan.
    I see where you are coming from pod but things can change
    before last season roth was penciled in as a starter and JT a situational pass rusher
    sometimes plans go south
     
  28. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Ck did one heck of a breakdown of "what" exactly Ted nolan did in Denver:

    http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/spo...log/2010/03/analyzing_the_draft_week_6_1.html

     
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  29. Roman529

    Roman529 Senior Member

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    This doesn't surprise me at all...I was kind of hoping we would let Crowder go instead of offering him a nice deal a year or so ago. You rarely saw Zach Thomas let guys slip past him if he got his hands/arms on someone, but our LB's just seem to be soft and lazy and they can't wrap a guy up.
     
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  30. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    Don't forget that we are probably going to need a NT somewhere in the draft especially if Ferguson doesn't come back. If Ferguson does come back then NT wont be a critical need and they might wait another year. I agree that we definitely need both inside and outside linebackers though and it is a critical need.
     
  31. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    and that's just in the running game-:wink2:
     
  32. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Let's see here:

    1. 3-4 WOLB – This job requires you to rush the passer about 70 percent of downs. - JT/Wake
    2. 3-4 WILB – A banger that can plug the run and rush the passer from ILB 1 out of 3 downs. - Crowder
    3. 3-4 SILB – A smart, athletic player that can rush 1 out of 4 downs from ILB and collect tackles. - McClain?
    4. 3-4 SOLB – Needs to be good in coverage and on the TE, only rushes 50 percent. - Dansby?
    5. 2-4 WOLB – Optional to be a hand-on-ground guy, is the primary pressure guy on pass downs. - JT/Wake/Anderson/Moses
    6. 2-4 WILB – Must be very smart, and good in coverage, backing up and keeping things in front. - McClain/Crowder/Torbor
    7. 2-4 SILB – Must be athletic enough to run with players in coverage.- Dansby/McClain/Crowder/Taylor
    8. 2-4 SOLB – Must be a dynamic pass rusher and be able to do damage from an up position. - Wake/Taylor/Moses/Anderson

    Sounds good to me.
     
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  33. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    And people wonder why I want McClain so much.
     
  34. GMJohnson

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    Crowder is garbage. Ayodele was average, I can live with him for another year if necessary.
     
  35. Eop05

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    If anything, I'd say it's the other way around. Ayodele is garbage and Crowder is average.

    Only difference is Crowder is a loudmouth overpaid average player tricking many of us into thinking he's garbage
     
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  36. padre31

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    Same here, Channing just is what he is, a mediocre ILB who rarely makes a play, and is injured every year save his FA yr.

    He really needs to step his game up because his contract is not that large..he could take I-95N at any moment.
     
  37. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    They were both garbage but I have to take you to task with Ayodele was AVERAGE...

    Akin had 10 missed tackles tied for first for most missed tackles on the dolphins.

    Akin allowed 24 of 28 passes thrown his way for a 85.7% completion % allowed which only 5 linebackers in the NFL had worse completion percentages.

    Akin had one of the highest QB ratings against in the NFL with an astronomical 128.4.

    Akin allowed a total of 335 yards in receptions for an average of 14 yards per reception which only 3 safeties in the NFL were worse.

    Akin was beaten like a drum in running and passing plays all season as his lack of speed was showcased
    on numerous occasions.

    Akin was one of the 3-5 worse Linebackers in football with Crowder trying to join the club and not that far off.
     
  38. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    face it people
    ayodele and crowder both suck
    bad linebackers across the board = bad defense
    thus the 390 points that we surrendered
     
  39. NolePhin

    NolePhin Look out for D-Bess

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    Get Dansby, and if McClain drops to 12, get him too. Then get an OLB or two in the later rounds. Just to re-state the popular saying with 3-4 defenses, you can't have too many good linebackers.
     

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