According to ESPN: Miami trying to trade up to 2...

"Phinatic19 wrote:

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but the quarterback comes first, not the playmakers. And its not like we cant add a good receiver in FA. Isn't Vincent Jackson a free agent too?

VJax won't make it to FA imo, and the larger point is we are out of position in the draft, we have huge other needs along with Qb, all things being equal, what we lose to try to move up to the #2 is not worth losing the chance to upgrade other areas.

Those 2 #2's can be our starting Guard next yr and our second passrushing OLB this yr, or Te, or Wr, or what have you.

"Den54 wrote:

Why to add insult to injury?

Masochist maybe?

VY is a bad fit in Philly, you really don't want him throwing 40 times per gm.

"padre31 wrote:

VJax won't make it to FA imo, and the larger point is we are out of position in the draft, we have huge other needs along with Qb, all things being equal, what we lose to try to move up to the #2 is not worth losing the chance to upgrade other areas.

Those 2 #2's can be our starting Guard next yr and our second passrushing OLB this yr, or Te, or Wr, or what have you.

I think getting RGIII and letting him play all of this upcoming season to find out his strengths/weaknesses and finding players to compliment him in next years draft would be better IMO. Sure we have other issues but those other issues aren't as important as the QB position.

Maybe Ross and Ireland made a deal with Fisher in which they pretended to want him to drive up his asking price in st Louis and in turn Fisher would make a deal with them for the number 2 pick
maybe that's why he needed so much power with the rams

"Phinatic19 wrote:

I think getting RGIII and letting him play all of this upcoming season to find out his strengths/weaknesses and finding players to compliment him in next years draft would be better IMO. Sure we have other issues but those other issues aren't as important as the QB position.

Could, but keep in mind dropping him into the Henne/Moore situation is not doing him any favors, and is likely to lead to early failures, we need help on the OL, we need a #2 pass rusher, as people may not acknowledge it, but our Defense was just not very good last yr.

It was good enough to put up stats, but also to never get the needed defensive stop in the 4th qtr.

"padre31 wrote:

Could, but keep in mind dropping him into the Henne/Moore situation is not doing him any favors, and is likely to lead to early failures, we need help on the OL, we need a #2 pass rusher, as people may not acknowledge it, but our Defense was just not very good last yr.

It was good enough to put up stats, but also to never get the needed defensive stop in the 4th qtr.

I think our line will be fine with Richie and Carey back. Just find a guard in the draft or free agency(move Carey back to tackle.) And RGIII's mobility should help too seeing as he could scramble if the pocket collapses.

Edit: Also I didn't see how well(or bad), John Jerry did at LT the last couple of games. Specifically the Jets game... So if he was any good we should try him at RT this season and keep Carey at guard.

"Stitches wrote:

Reiff and Flynn are proven, but RG3 isn't? And I must've missed when Flynn got waived.

So yea, maybe you aren't someone who should try and label others as smart or not.

Reiff is a guy that can start right away and make a difference. Why waste a first round pick on a QB with hope and prayer that he is the answer to the post marino error? I like the fact of drafting someone that can make a difference right away.

This was in regards to trading up in the draft to get him and it is simply not worth it....so yea maybe you aren't as smart as you label yourself

I doubt the dolphins end up trading up

"phinfan13 wrote:

Reiff is a guy that can start right away and make a difference. Why waste a first round pick on a QB with hope and prayer that he is the answer to the post marino error? I like the fact of drafting someone that can make a difference right away.

This was in regards to trading up in the draft to get him and it is simply not worth it....so yea maybe you aren't as smart as you label yourself

I never labeled myself as smart, not sure where you read that. I don't know how you can possibly claim someone who hasn't played a down in the NFL and someone who has started 2 total games in the NFL are proven though.

For all we know RG3 could start right away and make a difference, nor do we know that it'd be a waste to spend a first round pick on him. It might be just as much of a waste to spend any money on Flynn or a pick on Reiff.

I'm not saying I'd be for trading up for Griffin, but none of us know if it'd be worth it or not.

"Phinatic19 wrote:

I think our line will be fine with Richie and Carey back. Just find a guard in the draft or free agency(move Carey back to tackle.) And RGIII's mobility should help too seeing as he could scramble if the pocket collapses.

RG3 isn't pocket mobile, he can run but he is not good at avoiding rushers, as for the OL that's fair, but keep in mind Newton incredible mobility did not save him from panthers' OL, they were tied for the most sacks allowed with the rams, Dolphins were #2 for most allowed.

Edit: Also I didn't see how well(or bad), John Jerry did at LT the last couple of games. Specifically the Jets game... So if he was any good we should try him at RT this season and keep Carey at guard.

We have problems at both Guard slots, Richie I is not a LG (imo), Carey probably will be waived (imo).

"padre31 wrote:

RG3 isn't pocket mobile, he can run but he is not good at avoiding rushers, as for the OL that's fair, but keep in mind Newton incredible mobility did not save him from panthers' OL, they were tied for the most sacks allowed with the rams, Dolphins were #2 for most allowed.

We have problems at both Guard slots, Richie I is not a LG (imo), Carey probably will be waived (imo).

I think we've seen a number of times where "mobile" QBs are sacked more often because they tend to keep the plays alive longer than they should. It isn't always a failing of the OL.

"phinfan13 wrote:

He is over rated nand not worth the losing so much to get him. A proven QB like Fylnn off waviers is much safer and we could use our pick to beef up the line some more. Ireland you're an IDIOT if you trade up for him, he's not worth losing all that goes into trading up the draftboard. Be smart for once and get a proven guy like Reiff that can start right away and ake a bigger hole for Bush and Thoams!!! Oh wait did I mention smart and ireland in the same sentence....:lol:

How is Matt Flynn a proven QB?

"Desides wrote:

Reported where? There's speculation that because Fisher likes Ireland, then they might be able to work out a trade deal. But where was this actually reported as fact? Mort and Schefter have nothing on their Twitter accounts.

If Fisher really likes Ireland, why is he now the coach of the Rams?

"Disgustipate wrote:

There's basically no chance this is happening now.

I agree. I think there is a better chance of the OP of this thread hitting the lottery then the Dolphins trading up to the second pick in the draft and selecting RG3. While I would love to see RG3 in a Dolphins uniform next season. I see him long gone by the time select an offensive lineman with their pick in the first round of the 2012 draft.

"padre31 wrote:

Heh, in your opinion, have you studied any of them?

At all?

Then what do you base your opinion on?

And I should have put Vince Young on the list.

If Jason Campbell hadn't gotten hurt, Hue Jackson is still the coach of the Raiders.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

How is Matt Flynn a proven QB?

What? Didn't you see that week 16 showing he put against those nobodies with nothing to play for?

Way too early for anyone to talk about trading up - and too many variables about who will move up or down in the draft. A. Such a report is crazy; B. If the Dolphins really are pushing for this - they are nuts to be even trying to do it at this point.

"padre31 wrote:

RG3 isn't pocket mobile, he can run but he is not good at avoiding rushers, as for the OL that's fair, but keep in mind Newton incredible mobility did not save him from panthers' OL, they were tied for the most sacks allowed with the rams, Dolphins were #2 for most allowed.

We have problems at both Guard slots, Richie I is not a LG (imo), Carey probably will be waived (imo).

Before we could waive him we'd have to resign him, then wait till after the trading deadline during the 2012 season.

"MrClean wrote:

If Jason Campbell hadn't gotten hurt, Hue Jackson is still the coach of the Raiders.

Neverknow, do know 3 of the FA Qb's this offseason have led their teams to the playoffs, which is one of the reasons why I think this is the deepest FA Qb class in yrs.

-Young
-Garrard
-Campbell

Orton, I "think" did it with the bears in 05, could toss Grossman in there as well, his problem is way to up and down, same thing in DC this yr.

Well after losing Fisher, Ross probably thinks that he needs to make a splash in the draft even more now.

"jw3102 wrote:

If Fisher really likes Ireland, why is he now the coach of the Rams?

Because liking Ireland isn't the job he was interviewing for. He was interviewing for the position of Head coach and he and the owner couldn't make their organization structure wants mesh.

LOL it starts already. Get ready for 3 and a half months of this.

"Stitches wrote:

I never labeled myself as smart, not sure where you read that. I.

I never labeled you as smart either, so yeah I'm looking at Griddles for spreading the myth that Stitches is smart.

I applaud the original poster for putting "According to ESPN:" in his thread title but wish he would have specified "According to ESPN Radio:"

That way I would've known immediately either to not click on the thread at all, or to take it with a total grain of salt.

99% of the time a thread pops up with information heard on ESPN Radio, it's absolutely fabricated. Not killing the messenger, I'm sure ESPN Radio does a pretty good job of screwing up news that everyone's already heard and phrasing it incorrectly...but people listening to this stuff on the radio also get it wrong a ton.

When you hear, or think you hear, something MAJOR on ESPN Radio, ask yourself the following questions before disseminating:

Can you find it anywhere in print?

If the answer is no, assume you heard wrong, either because they phrased it in a way they shouldn't have, or because you were driving and therefore focusing on something else and probably heard something that wasn't really there. Just saying. Not trying to pick at anyone, but I can't even tell you how ridiculously often it is that an ESPN Radio report that someone hears and then starts a thread about is totally wrong.

"padre31 wrote:

Luck is going to Indy, end of story for me at least, Irsay can talk all that family stuff with Manning the reality is the Colts even cut Unitas loose.

Not wild about Flynn, he had one great game, in a system loaded with playmakers, I'd prefer a Vet Qb who made the guys around him better if we go that route, and his cost will be terribly high, so I can see him going to where all overpriced FA's go, Washington, I'd roll my FA dice on Orton or Garrard.

To me, if you add either Orton or Garrard, to compete with Moore, you have done your level best to acquire a Top 15 Qb, which also frees draft choices to add playmakers or no Qb is going to succeed in the NFL for very long.

As for the Franchise Qb, agree on rolling the dice on Weedon, or even Osweiler, do know over 30 rushing attempts and 20 or less passing attempts and the win % is up around 90%, if we are out of position for a Qb would be a good idea to take that route imo.

I don't want an Orton or Garrard or any of the other FA QBs really. I see them all as not franchise guys at best. I rather try to develop a guy like Russell Wilson.