just for fun, pure banter, speculation, something to play with until serious things begin to happen ... does this look like a possible SuperBowl offensive line-up for 2012: OL: long-pouncey-saturday-icognito-murtha (gardner, jerry, carey) or draft Peter Konz @ Center TE: fasano-mastrud (clay, messam) or draft C. Fleener @ TE WR: marshall-wayne-hartline (bess, gates, wallace, moore) QB: manning-moore-tennehill @ 8 RB: bush-thomas (messam, clay both interesting possibilities @ RB, FB, HB, even TE) think we could go all the way with this roster? not missing too many pieces as far as I can see & everything doable this year. make it so & coach'em up works for me. have fun with it. really looking forward to the 2012 season. got a good feeling about this year.
Saturday is/has been an iron man...opposite of Grove/Smiley 6 games missed in the past 12 years plus playing at such a high level for so many years to bad he's going to be 37 in a few months...not sure how much is left in the tank. Wayne put up sick numbers considering who was the QB this past season 75 receptions for 960 yards and 4 tds without a QB Add a healthy Manning and 1000+ yards and 7-10 tds should be a given A huge upgrade over Hartline who has 1 td in his past 26 games Wayne will be 34 by the end of the season but he seems ageless Manning is the huge question mark If healthy with the addition of the players above I can seriously see this team going far into the playoffs If not 100% ...stay away and go a different route for a QB
miamiron 1) Saturday would be a smart acquisition to immediately upgrade & school our offense line. I'm sure Peyton would benefit from the move & Saturday more than happy to end his career with Manning @ the helm. 2) personally, I don't think we need a WR upgrade. I believe Manning will create an environment so positive for the WR cadre that an automatic upgrade would ensue. having said that, it has been widely speculated that the addition of Wayne would be a good move on Miami's part. 3) about Manning: latest news seems to indicate he is progressing well & has projected his probable return to previous playing form by May. http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...-as-dolphins-await-pursuit-um-heat-notes.html having said that, there will forever be people who see the glass half empty. everything is pure speculation @ this point in the year. obviously, I think he'll be ready.
there is no way we sign tennehill with the 8th pick if we were to get manning. but i do like the rest of the lineup!
it only makes sense to resolve the QB crisis completely & immediately in 2012: 1) we need to end the SuperBowl drought by bringing aboard Manning & competing for the big enchilada immediately 2) we need to develop the next Franchise QB right behind Manning because it takes time to do so & we may not be in this good of a draft anytime soon. we're drafting 8 overall with three top QB's within that range. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/24/2659683/am-qb-may-be-best-option-for-miami.html 3) we have a very talented/competitive roster for 2012, laying aside the man crush & potential up-grades (that don't always pan out), there are very few real needs after resolving the QB issue. Maybe: a Center, a TE, a DE/DT to facilitate out side the rush & 4-3. not much, very doable. the timing to resolve the QB issue, the Achilles' Heel of the Miami Dolphin Franchise, is now, in 2012! Manning /Tannehill in 2012it just makes sense!http:
I don't see Manning as a member of the Dolphins next season. While I would love this if he is healthy, I just think he will have better options if he is able to convince teams around the league that he is healthy. In fact I could see him signing with the Jets, Redskins, Cardinals, or Seahawks, over the Dolphins. I believe that Flynn will be the starting QB for the Dolphins next season and I see the Dolphins finishing the season 7-9 or possibly 8-8.
interesting... why would you think that he would prefer another location? 1) Peyton likes Miami, even has a condo bought & paid for here. the Mannings already spend considerable time in the area. they both know & like the location. 2) he has received a warm invitation from both the fan base & Ross & company. appears Ross has made him a priority on his things to do list for 2012 & has deep pockets. 3) No State Income Tax & No Snow, two more big pluses. 4) our roster is ready to peak & has SuperBowl potential throughout the team 5) he would be a part of the offensive re-structuring, given we have a new HC & OC. many of his astute ideas & unique abilities could find fertile ground in a cooperative, flexible offensive environment. might even be able to bring Saturday & Wayne with him in the deal to facilitate the move. nothing is off the table. 6) Miami is interested in winning a SuperBowl, not rebuilding a team. Manning wants to win another SuperBowl before retiring from football. this would be the ultimate jewel in his crown, asserting his right to the claim: the best QB to have ever played the game. both Peyton & Miami want the SuperBowl, now... & it is doable. 7) would not have to compete directly against his brother, which is always a pleasant family circumstance, making for a better work environment. seems a likely fit to me
about Flynn: 1) not a proven bull by any stretch of the imagination... 2) was his very limited success due to his superior ability @ QB or the cast that surrounded him playing the two games he started @ Greenbay? 3) I've stated this before, I have a bad feeling about Flynn. don't think this is a serious consideration @ any level. having said that the Coach knows more about his situation. anything they decide will be fine with me. from the draft to free-agency, ultimately they will live or die by their decisions. 4) if Greenbay were really hot on him, they'd throw the franchise lock on him to guarantee something in return I would be very surprised if we went in that direction
IF, we signed Manning, and I doubt we will, but if...We won't take a QB in the 1st. More likely the 3rd would be the soonest. Perhaps Kirk Cousins. Or wait till the 6th and take a Russell Wilson, or John Brantley. The main concern with Peyton would be protecting him. Adding Saturday and moving Pouncey to guard would improve the interior protection. We still need an upgrade at RT though. It seems 3/4s of the mock drafts have us taking Iowa tackle Riley Reiff and he is player we should know better than anyone else does, what with Iowa's former OC being on our current staff. My top 4 picks if we signed Manning would be something like Reiff in the first, a 4-3 DE like Vinny Curry in the 2nd, Kirk Cousins in the 3rd and TE Michael Egnew in the 4th. Or, we could go for the pass rusher in the 1st, like Nick Perry or Quinton Coples, then take a RT like Zebrie Sanders in the 2nd, or take a the best available TE in the 2nd, and one of the top three should be left, at least, between Fleener, Charles and Allen, and take a RT in the 3rd like Matt McCants of UAB, and then take the developmental QB later on, like either Wilson or Brantley.
They will get a draft pick in return for him. After he signs a nice size UFA contract, the Packers will get a compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd or 4th round in the 2013 draft.
You have some very good reasons why Manning should sign with the Dolphins, I don't deny that. I still don't think he will end up in Miami and the starting QB for the Dolphins on opening day next year will be Flynn. I would much rather see a healthy Manning or RG3 as the starting QB next year, but I just have a very strong feeling that Philbin wants Flynn, so he can implement the offense he ran in Green Bay. This offense is not suited for Manning and I don't think Ireland has the balls to make the trade needed to get the second pick in the draft from the Rams.
hope Philbin has more up his sleeve than the Packard offense... can't believe that an experienced OC, recently turned HC could be so one dimensional in the NFL. it's common knowledge you implement a system of play according to the best players available on your roster. this is a roster ready to take the next step not enter into another lengthy rebuilding process. Manning would be a windfall for Philbin & Miami, facilitating a quick start & run on the Superbowl. we shall see very soon how the team will take shape.
If we got Manning I would go pass rusher and O line with rounds 1 and 2. Perhaps draft a developmental qb with our 3rd or 4th. Kirk Cousins anyone?
Right now, we have 3 of our DL as FAs...(Soliai, Langford, Merling) and we are switching to a 4-3, meaning we need one more DL than last year... Is Wake a 4-3 DE ?? I'm not too convinced...besides he's likely more useful as a rush LBer in that scheme. We need 2 safeties. Bell showed his age being a problem last season, it was very apparent. Who is our FS ?? Clemons, Jones, Culver (fa)?? Didn't see one there last year and Bell, the closest is a year older. We need a speed complement to our WR troup. Someone to draw coverage away from Marshall, particularly with a Manning at QB. Colombo and Carey are FAs and basically done. That was our right side of the OL. Maybe between Murtha, Garner and Jerry one of them takes one of the spots, that still leaves room for one more OL...I wouldn't count on them filling both spots... Pouncey is just fine at C and doesn't need replacing...If you pick up Saturday, you downgrade the C position from last year. We need a rush LBer/DE for this scheme and a 3rd CB (Allen is a year older and slower, Wilson is still a question and Carroll is mediocre at CB ??). Then you are assuming that guys like Clay, Gates, Thomas, Smith, Carroll, Clemons will suddenly explode onto the scene and guys like Bell and Allen won't have Father Time catching them this year...I don't know about assuming all of that. As to the Herald article, it's a rehash of old news and even if any of it was new info, it came from Manning's camp and should be taken with a grain of salt. I know that other teams can't really be wooing Manning yet, but there has been absolutely nothing but speculation coming out about him since the season ended. Believe half of what you see and NONE of what you read at this point...I will believe Manning is ready when I see it... BTW, are you suggesting we sign Manning before this May time period that you mentioned ?? Before we know he is even healthy enough to still be an NFL QB ?? Or are you suggesting we wait on him to get healthy and go about things assuming we'll get him whenever that time period is that he's healthy ?? Recipe for disaster...would make the 2010 offseason look like the best of all times... I can't don't see us as quite as ready as you do...I don't see that Manning is the right way to go, until we actually see him and even then, he may not be what we are used to seeing from Manning.... Too much risk for my blood...
you've got it Larry, I don't see it that way & that's what makes a good thread & horse race, differing opinions. if you would provide a probable starting defensive line-up (3-4 & 4-3) for 2012, it would be easier to analyze & understand why you think we are in such disrepair on the other side of the ball. personally, I don't see it. it looks good to me. there is a major difference between a need & a possible upgrade. our defense did well last year considering the season & outside of a possible addition that can play both DE & DT I simply don't see many needs, other than to re-sign some players. we are no longer rebuilding. the die is cast. the grass is not always greener on the other side, sometimes the solution lies in gardening. coach 'em up!
Just adding Manning makes any team a SB contender, the other guys are whatever. Peyton will win and dominate with anyone. I wouldn't add Saturday or Wayne to be honest. Only Colts FA i'd consider is Garcon because he still at or reaching his prime. Plus can be had at a bargain compared to his declining teammate Wayne.
basically, I agree with Snowman that is the premise of the thread having said that, if not Saturday, I would draft Peter Konz @ Center this would allow Pouncey to move to the pulling guard, a minor tweak that would make a major difference in my book Manning is the imperative in the scheme Manning/Tannehill in 2012 resolve the issue!
I am not sure why you think Garcon would be a bargain. He just turned down a five year contract offer from the Colts and I would have have to assume he did so because he is looking for a HUGE contract in free agency. Wayne is nearing the end of his career and I think the Dolphins, if interested in him, could get him for a lot less than it would cost for them to sign Garcon.
On the contrary. If you sign Peyton Manning, then Ryan Tannehill becomes the perfect pick at #8. Suddenly you have your quarterback of the present and future. Also, Tannehill's lack of experience at QB makes him a perfect candidate for riding pine for at least one year.
First of all I don't think Manning is going to sign with the Dolphins, but if he does, I just don't see the Dolphins wasting their first round pick on Tannehill. I don't think he will ever be more than a mediocre starter in the NFL and it would be a complete waste of a top pick to select him in the first round. I see him more as a third or fourth round type player in the NFL and he certainly would not resolve the long term issue at QB for the Dolphins. There are only two college QB's in this draft who I see as future NFL quality starters, Luck and RG3. If the Dolphins don't trade up to get one of these QB's and they don't sign Manning or Flynn, the Dolphins will still be looking for their QB of the future when the 2013 draft rolls around next year.
2012 is the year of the Franchise QB for Miami don't think they are even considering moving up to snatch RG3, but I would support the move to resolve the issue don't believe Flynn was ever legitimately in the mix & shouldn't be, he is not the the proven bull @ any level having said that look for Manning/Tannehill to end the QB dilemma in Miami with Manning we have an immediate run on the Superbowl; with Tannehill we have the Franchise secured for the future we will know soon enough, but this is my strongly held opinion Manning/Tannehill @ 8
Personally, I like this Manning/Tannerhill combo. This tannerhill kid is not half bad, IMO. Under the new CBA with the rookie wage scale, heck, its a no brainer. There is BoooooKoooooooooooooo Oline in FA this year. With exception of a very select few, the price for a FA Olineman is not going to be high at all this year.
each day we move forward in the process this offensive line-up appears to be more & more possible SuperBowl 2012
