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8-8 is not

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by mole351, Dec 29, 2013.

  1. mole351

    mole351 New Member

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    Bad enough for heads to roll, Sherman or Ireland to be fired, or any other big changes to be made. Only because expectations were to improve, and those expectations were met. Worst 8-8 I've ever seen...win the tough ones, crap the bed in the "easy" ones.

    need a new O-line, O-coordinator, and someone to light a fire under their asses...clearly that wasn't being done as they didn't show up in the most critical games.

    love my Phins but is getting really old year after year...still having to hang hat on Marino years. But I'll be back for more heartbreak next year, and the year after that, and after that, etc.

    praying that changes soon.
     
  2. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Disagree. The manner in which this 8-8 season unfolded is more than enough for heads to roll. There were clear deficiencies by the coaching staff and the general manager that were direct contributors to some of this season's most awful loses.
     
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  3. mole351

    mole351 New Member

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    ^^^the big positive IMO is that Tannehill definitely improved. HUGE positive. Hate on the guy if you want, but it's only his 2nd year, and you can't dispute the fact that he was better this year. Should take a QB 3-4 years in most cases to know what he will truly be, and while jury's still out, I like the direction he's headed. Let's just get him a line...
     
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  4. Ray Lucas

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    It could be worse… We could be Bills fans.
     
  5. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    ****ting the bed in the fashion we did against Buffalo and NY is enough for it to start raining pink slips in Davie for me.
     
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  6. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Maybe the last two games will light a fire under Ross' tukkis.. The O line flat inhaled vigorously enough to explain the vacuum around the planet. Two MLB's acted like they needed someone to personally guide them to the point of attack on defense. The D-backs still cannot get within 5 yards of the receivers on most plays until after they have caught the ball (wasn't Coyle supposed to be an expert in this area?) And, there is not enough fire on this team collectively to light a piece of toilet paper!

    Each year we wait with bated breath to see what happens, and each year seems to end with a whimper!
     
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  7. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, when I think about how the season unfolded, I'm not comforted that we finished 8-8 which is decent. Instead, I look at it in terms of the fact that we had a legitimate shot at the playoffs, in which we controlled our own destiny with wins against two mediocre division rivals...and we blew it. When I look at this season I don't see 8-8, I see a collapse.
     
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  8. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    going 5-8 after starting 3-0 is enough for heads to roll, considering losing the last 2 to the jets and bills while scoring 7 points combined when you had 2 chances to land in the playoffs.
     
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  9. mole351

    mole351 New Member

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    I certainly hope so! But we always think that (especially with Ireland) and nothing happens. Truly believe Ross an co. will put a positive spin on the season. Which will be BS, for exact reasons you mention. Heads would roll in a winning culture, but we haven't been that in a long time.
     
  10. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    You should not bring in a new GM with a coach in place. It will be so much more less attractive to land a quality GM that way.
     
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  11. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    When you start 3-0 and end 8-8 and out of the playoffs, it is enough.

    When you have to win ONE game against the Bills and Jets at the end of the season and can't do it, it is enough.

    When you go 4-5 against teams on your schedule that are .500 or less, it is enough.

    In other words....it's enough.
     
  12. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    lets not forget he essentially is on his own with the QB coaches he has.

    Sh*t Tannehill has more experience by himself them both his coaches combined

    If he actually had help ......man what would he be like?
     
  13. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Gave away games to Tampa,Buffalo,and the Jets. No excuse for those losses. We should be in the playoffs.
     
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  14. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Fire everyone or Im done.
     
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  15. Lee2000

    Lee2000 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think that depends. I will say this. I don't want to be Ross next season trying to find a way to motivate the fans to show up if he makes no changes to speak of. I think Ireland's failures on the OL and ill fated signings of Wheeler and Ellerbe will bite him. I like Philbin, but I have to say I did not watch very smart football this year. Sherman has to go at minimum.
     
  16. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    This is the very definition of a loser right here.
     
  17. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    with our soft schedule 8-8 might be a step backwards
     
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  18. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    fire everyone. philbin not einning these two games means he will never have it when it matters
     
  19. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Yes it is. After a big spending spree, after a 3-0 start, needing 1 win in the final two games against teams with losing records and getting destroyed in every way by both without even putting up a fight, not having made the playoffs in 5 years. It's a huge failure.
     
  20. mole351

    mole351 New Member

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    We'll see. I hope to eat my words. Truly. Don't think I will, however.
     
  21. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    He showed improvement in the early and middle parts of the season, but he took some giant steps backwards the past two weeks. He needs to show a lot more improvement next year or the Dolphins will be looking for a new QB in the 2015 draft.
     
  22. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Are you effing kidding me? really?
     
  23. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Especially after starting the season 3-0. Many people thought the first month of the season would be the hardest part of the Dolphins schedule. They played well out of the gate, but went only 5-8 over their last 13 games. Just not good enough.
     
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  24. NyPhinfan

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    I can tell you this...I was shocked how bad Ellerbe and Wheeler played from game 1 to game 16. Not just bad but off the charts bad. Ellerbe looked lost and overmatched and Wheeler looked like he literally had no idea where to go. Someone thought these 2 were perfect for what we were trying to do on defense? Our LB play had me talking to myself all year
     
  25. Rouk

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    I had us at 7-9 so many close games this year we could of finished with 12 or 5 wins it felt like. I dunno how i feel about the coaching staff our offense is really poor and our defensive schemes seemed weak. I just dont see them getting a new gm and keeping the coach its possible but not likely. So unless they want philbin gone i bet irelands survives again and they just scape goat the oc/dc.
     
  26. finfansince72

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    I kind of agree with the OP in that I would be surprised if we clean house. Now do I THINK we should clean house? Absolutely. Somehow I think these guys will talk Ross into giving them one more year. Hopefully Ross saw the last two games and the light went on. That or he has some good owners that he can sit down with and really go over what they would do in this spot. Hopefully he gets good advice outside of the organization and makes the right moves.
     
  27. Aquafin

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    hey RevRick I love your signature and when our navy used the f4f wildcats we held our own in the war when the Hellcat and Corsairs came into the war the tide turned and this goes for our dolphins as well we have been fighting a battle and losing ground somewhat.
     
  28. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    So you would have replaced our departing LB's with whom?
     
  29. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    which is probably the right move
     
  30. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Well, there is one other point here... Whether or not either of these guys go is probably more dependent on what the results of the bully-gate investigation are rather than the piss poor results of this season.... And I have to somewhat correct myself on the results of the season, in that the actually finished better than I thought they would. However, it still stinks how this group... FO, staff, coaches and players ... Ended the season, once again cowhering away instead of fighting...
     
  31. GMJohnson

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    I'm not calling for anyone to be fired but I wouldn't protest if anyone was fired either.
     
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  32. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    We should have had 11 wins this year, yes 8-8 is enough to ****can everyone.
     
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  33. mole351

    mole351 New Member

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    Please don't misinterpret my post. I absolutely think heads should roll. But I think Ross and Philbin will put a positive spin on the season, which is BS. And Ireland and Sherman will be back. Sherman at minimum.
     
  34. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Agreed. Same reason Ireland should have been canned with Sparano.
     
  35. rtl1334

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    Well I'm a little more emotionally detached than most on here so I'm hoping my perspective is a little less fire and brimstone.

    For the game today, it progressed much the way I suspected save for one critical factor...the injury to Hartline. He had been targeted 5 times up to that point and was poised for a big game. His loss ultimately meant the loss of the game. We knew Geno was using his legs more and we knew we'd give up 130+ on the ground. This wasn't going to be a repeat of the previous game.

    As for the season, I think we have some glaring issues. Run defense was critically woeful and was as much an issue as the 58 sacks allowed. We still struggle with TEs and our LBs lack of coverage skills ultimately took Jones out of his Polamalu-esque role. As well, our power running game was woeful.

    With these shortcomings in mind, I'm convinced our defensive issues are strictly personnel-based and not so much coaching. Ellerbe and Wheeler are barely starting caliber LBs in all facets and it crippled the defense.

    Our issues on offense are as much scheme/coaching based as they are personnel based. Our lack of imagination and overall predictability put too much pressure on an over-matched offensive line and a developing QB. Bottom line on Tannehill, he's an average QB who has a chance to develop into a top starter. But he's not good enough right now to overcome the deficiencies up front, in the backfield or in the press box.

    Further, we need more consistency from the kicking game and more of a threat in the return game.

    When I'm motivated, I'll outline what I think we need to do going forward.
     

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