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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Jersey Dolfan, Jan 3, 2021.
Who are you debating? I can’t see who. Did the guy rear his head?
Wide open receiver can make adjustments that a covered receiver can't. If you under throw a WR that has 3 steps on the guy he can slow down and make the catch and it still looks like you were dead accurate. A wide open receiver makes the adjustment on the ball, a heavily covered receiver needs the ball placement to be perfect.
Also dead perfect is actually easier when its hitting them in the chest each time. On a covered receiver the "perfect" ball might be high and away, and that extra bit of calculation before the throw will cause many college QBs to fail.
I think the Fins are trading Tua after the weak showing he displayed in the last two games. It’s over and this organization needs to move on from this garbage. I’m tired of being tortured by these results.
What would you like to trade him for? Let me guess two 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick right?
That was the big Tannehill trade thing. OMG Tannehill sucks so bad but I think we can get a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick for him.
They aren’t trading him. Anyone with any objectivity knows our offense was extremely weak at the skills position.
The Dolphins are going to shore up those positions in the draft and through FA. After those are shores up, if Tagovailoa still shows no significant improvement, look for the Dolphins to do their impression of the 2019 Titans and we’ll find a “Tannehill” to take over.
Where we started with that was with the observation that, despite how much separation had been achieved by Alabama's receivers, Tua was dropping the ball into their shirt pockets nonetheless. Less separation shouldn't have an effect on the QB's accuracy. If he can throw it in their shirt pockets when the cover man is running five yards behind, he can throw it into their shirt pockets when the cover man is running just a yard behind.
Again, I ask, do you play ANY sports? Have you ever played football? It's ok if you haven't. However, what you're saying just isn't accurate. It's easier to be pinpoint accurate when a guy is wide open than when he's tightly covered. Humans aren't robots. Their abilities change when things are difficult.
Right but that could go both ways. You could argue that when the situation is more difficult, the QB can exert extra effort and play even better. How many times have we seen an easy catch dropped for example because a receiver was wide open all alone and the catch was "too easy."
Grier said he’s our guy next year so need to debate whether we’re going to move on or whether they’ll draft a QB with this pick.
If you had ever played sports, you would understand why these things you're saying are incorrect.
When an easy pass is dropped, it's almost always due to a breakdown in fundamentals. Because it's such an easy catch to make, they take their eyes off the ball to start scanning the field early, and they mess it up.
Well the guy we should take with that 3rd pick, or hopefully with a trade back, just won the Heisman.
Best player in the draft. I'd take him at 3.
I tell you I am big time on grabbing both he and Harris in the first. I don't care if it's overdrafting either guy really. I think they are the best players available for positions we desperately need help at. That Tua is familiar with both guys is a big plus.
Yes, we need to debate.
Grier said that he wants competition at every position (including at QB). Even if we grabbed a QB at #3, Tua would be the presumed starter and it would be his job to lose. Tua would have to struggle in training camp to change that, so declaring Tua the starter right now is no surprise.
They don't have to look at QB with pick #3 though, they could look at QB with #18; if Zach Wilson fell for example, or maybe look at a guy like Trey Lance. Mac Jones is probably there in the second round. In any event, I'd like to have Fitzmagic back for another year -especially if we have another rookie QB who can learn from him.
I've been against using the 3rd pick, or even any of our first 3 picks, on a QB because this is a great draft to try to address WR and RB with those picks, and possibly even OL. But for our 2nd pick in the 2nd round or lower I would absolutely not be against drafting another QB. I'd prefer a drafted QB as backup anyway over a vet, and I think QB competition is good.
But priority #1 is getting the right surrounding cast for Tua. Only after that do you think about QB competition.
That's my biggest fear though; to build around Tua and have him fail anyway. I didn't see any elite traits from him this year. Not in size, arm strength, mobility, and his accuracy was up and down. If Tua is not for real, all the other pieces you add are going to fail. Fail as in being a borderline playoff team, but never close to a Super Bowl contender.
Getting the QB right is the choice that matters most. If the Bears had taken Mahomes, would the team around him be good enough to have won a Super Bowl? I say, 'Yes'. Instead, they have wasted a pretty good defense and will have to rebuild again once they grab another QB in the near future. They are a borderline playoff team with an, at best, average QB. The right QB will make the players around him better, but you don't see that from Trubisky, and we have not seen it from Tua either.
Yes, it was a rough year in many ways, and yes, it's too soon to discard Tua, but not too soon to get the best QB we can in 2021 to compete with him.
I just think there’s 0% chance of that happening when we have glaring needs at OL, WR, RB and some pieces on defense. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them go D with 2 of our first 4 picks. If you can improve our pass rush or run defense, this defense could go from very good to championship caliber.
Agreed - If we really want Smith we need to take him at #3 Best WR in draft- position of need- just won Heisman - played with Tua, all the justification is there so I dont see it as" overpaying"
If we draft Devonta Smith are we giving Tua the 2020’s version of the Marks Brothers? The Devante/Devanta Brothers!
Best player in the draft is Lawrence imo. If we pick at 3 Sewell would be my pick, hope we trade down though. I really would love to see Najee Harris in a Dolphin uniform but with one of our later picks.
Woah, it's very rare for WR's to get the trophy. Good for him- complete stud of a player. I hope we take him at #3 as well.
Smith is a heckuva player, but that slight frame is worrisome, especially in the top 10. Personally, while I'd be excited to pick him up, I would probably go for Chase myself.
Same here and not with the 3rd pick.
Problem with that is I don't think he will last much past the 3rd pick. He's gone before 5 or 6 IMO.
Are we talking about Tua.... I kid, I kid
If you trade down to 6-7 I think one (Chase/Smith) will be there, if you want to go WR with your first pick. But for me, none of the WRs in this draft seems to be worthy of a Top 5 pick.
I'd be looking hard at Detroit to see if they want a QB (especially if Fields falls to 3), but they really don't have much draft capital this year. Not sure if they would empty the coffers with as depleted a roster as they have.
Whatever it takes to get out of the 3rd spot, the only Player I would really consider for us at 3 is Sewell, that is if the Draft was today.
If it were up to me, that pick, along with a few more and Tua, would be headed to Houston, and Deshaun would be sporting an aqua 4.
Only Grier would fail to take a WR in arguably the best WR class in NFL history, only to take one #3 overall the very next draft with the WR class way worse. If you aren’t taking QB it has to be Sewell. That makes the line so good that even should Tua fail, someone else can step in and succeed. Then draft weapons and defense the rest of the way. I really don’t understand why teams don’t overdraft Oline. Great lines get average QBs deep into the playoffs. Then you don’t need to draft RB or WR high because the line provides bigger holes and gives WR more time to get open
By all accounts this is another excellent WR class. There is high end talent and depth. Guys like Rondale Moore could potentially be had in round 2.
I do think if we stick at 3, it has to be Sewell, but disagree that we won't need to address both WR and RB regardless. One guy does not a line make - we need more talent at WR and RB who can consistently catch the ball, get tough yards and break plays. We can do that via the 18, our second rounders or free agency.
I really like Moore and am totally fine with BPA on pick 3 and someone like him with our other first rounder or round 2.
For the Dolphins, this year's first round draft really is going to be a matter of wait and see. Something unpredictable always happens. I think the most likely scenario is that we trade down - gathering picks is Grier's MO. Additionally, there are a lot of players to like in the first round but not at 3 so the best value is likely to trade down from 3 to 6, 7 or 8. Of course, that all depends on who wants to trade up - thus, wait and see.
I'm happy for the Dolphins to build around Tua and see how we go in 2021, and some commentators are suggesting that trading back and picking up 2022 first rounders would enable them to punt the QB decision a year down the road - but that depends on who is available in 2022.
Picks at #3 I'd be happy with:
Trevor Lawrence - if he somehow fell to 3 then I think you take him and let the two compete.
Justin Fields - as above - I might be okay doing that with Fields. You're likely not going to be able to pick these guys up later so if they're there and you want the competition I'd be fine with spending the 3 there.
Questionable picks at '3:
Sewell - I like him a lot, and he's worthy of a #3 pick if you need a LT. I'm just not sure the Dolphins need him that much. The OL did really well this year considering the rookies being played. I'd be happier taking Sewell at 6-10, if we traded back and he were still available. If we do take him he could pan out and be a great addition, but if not he'll be a bust at 3, and we have other needs.
Smith/Chase - both great receivers, but it's a risk taking them at 3. One of them will likely be available near the #10 pick, and if we can trade back, get more ammo, and a top WR that's better. High boom or bust potential with any WR at #3.
Parsons - We had such good performance on D that it's hard to see us going D over O in the first round. Still, if he can help clean up some of the tackling problems and run game issues we had and take the D to an even stingier level then fine. But again, he had better pan out.
So my preference right now is trade down and pick up a quality player around the back end of the top 10 as well as further ammunition having fleeced someone. If we pick at #3 it needs to be a potential franchise player.
There is also the questionable personality trait that others have flagged up on Parsons that could take him off the draft board
Smith showed last night why he should be the pick at 3. He took over that game last night. He makes defenders look silly.
Great write up! The only thing I'd add is I could see us taking a strength and making it stronger. A tougher defense may give us the edge in several of those close games we lost this last year. Plus if a player like Parsons can be our Brian Urlacher or Ray Lewis and give us even close to a 2001 Ravens defense level, it makes it a lot easier to win with some modest improvements on offense.
I know a lot on these boards would be disappointed if we take anything besides a WR at #3 but I wouldn't be disappointed with Sewell or Parsons if they are going to be game changing players and then look at tier 2 of the available receivers(Batemen, Moore, Olave, etc).
Some of the mocks have Sewell going #2 to NYJ. While that could happen, I wonder if they'd do that having taken Bechton in the first round last year and the jury still being out on Darnold as a true franchise QB. Besides, most new regimes want to draft their own QB. Fields or Wilson going #2 to NYJ makes a lot more sense IMO.
If Sewell is still OTB at #3, and we can't/don't trade down, he makes a lot of sense with our first pick.
I’ve been hearing that the last twenty years. Buffalo and Cleveland are in the playoffs and we are not. This is just painful.
Yes but the bills also didn't give up on Allen and draft a new QB after his 10TD/12INT 53% completion first year. They let him learn and got him Diggs.
Mayfield was better his first 2 years, at 27/14 and 22/21 about 60% completion, but they still went and got him OBJ (and drafted Chubb same year as he mayfield).
Sure I wasn't blown away by Tua this year, I can't swear he'll be a star. But I'm firmly in the "give him more time and weapons" camp. I understand people feel differently and I get it. End of the day I do trust Flores and Grier to make the right decision, whatever it may be.