2021 Draft Pick Watch

"Alex13 wrote:

no way we would pick Trevor Lawrence if for some reason the houston pick would end up #1st overall, we would take a ransom from somebody that wants Trevor Lawrence

There is no way you pass on Trevor Lawrence.

Texans host the Vikings today.
Houston are 3.5 favourites.

"Galant wrote:

Texans host the Vikings today.
Houston are 3.5 favourites.

Go Vikes!

Vikes with a HUGE goal line stand!

"mlb1399 wrote:

Vikes with a HUGE goal line stand!

Houston is so bad at the run, both on offense and on defense. Had no idea they'd start 0-4 but this is great for us!

Good job Minnesota, but Houston is one of those teams who I can see probably go on like a 9-3 run and make the playoffs.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Good job Minnesota, but Houston is one of those teams who I can see probably go on like a 9-3 run and make the playoffs.

They play the Jaguars in two of their next three games, and are probably the better team there. But they also face the Titans, Packers, Browns and Patriots. After ten games, I don't expect them to be better than 3-7. At that point, we'll see if they pack it in for the year or not.

So, Bill O'Brien just got fired. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texans-fire-bill-obrien-as-head-coach-and-gm-after-0-4-start-he-had-been-with-houston-since-2014/

Does the team rebound under a temp coach? Or collapse even more? I hope the players check out on the season and Miami gets a top 5 pick.

Houston is going to have a HUGE issue with getting a decent coach. They won't have many picks in 2021 to work with, so the new coach won't be able to really build through the draft until 2022.

"Deus ex dolphin wrote:

So, Bill O'Brien just got fired. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texans-fire-bill-obrien-as-head-coach-and-gm-after-0-4-start-he-had-been-with-houston-since-2014/

Does the team rebound under a temp coach? Or collapse even more? I hope the players check out on the season and Miami gets a top 5 pick.

Houston is going to have a HUGE issue with getting a decent coach. They won't have many picks in 2021 to work with, so the new coach won't be able to really build through the draft until 2022.

Even better news for us. Maybe it is realistic to get a top 10 or even top 5 pick from Houston. As you say, depends on how the team responds to an interim coach. But their issues with run defense (and offense) are real and aren't going away.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Good job Minnesota, but Houston is one of those teams who I can see probably go on like a 9-3 run and make the playoffs.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Good job Minnesota, but Houston is one of those teams who I can see probably go on like a 9-3 run and make the playoffs.

They look really bad this year,they may win a few games but I don't see them with a winning record.

"Deus ex dolphin wrote:

So, Bill O'Brien just got fired. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texans-fire-bill-obrien-as-head-coach-and-gm-after-0-4-start-he-had-been-with-houston-since-2014/

Does the team rebound under a temp coach? Or collapse even more? I hope the players check out on the season and Miami gets a top 5 pick.

Houston is going to have a HUGE issue with getting a decent coach. They won't have many picks in 2021 to work with, so the new coach won't be able to really build through the draft until 2022.

They had better hope Watson is a huge selling point to someone decent.

Houston's organization is a mess. Their founder/owner Bob McNair died two years ago, his widow is technically the owner, and his son is now in charge. They don't have a GM, because O'Brien filled that role too.

Worst 2021 draft news is O'Brien being fired. It is eased a bit knowing Romeo Crennel is the HC in his place. Come on Jags make them 0-5.

Looking VERY big picture, good job by the Bears picking up the win vs the Bucs tonight. At 4-1, they're now highly likely to have a better record than the Fins or Texans. I think that Bucs probably end up with more wins by the end of the year, so Chicago taking this one was good.

This absolutely won't happen, but can you imagine if we somehow had the #1 and #2 pick lol

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

This absolutely won't happen, but can you imagine if we somehow had the #1 and #2 pick lol

I can and have imagined that!

In 1992, the Colts ended up with picks #1 and #2 in the draft. They got #1 the old fashioned way, but going 1-15 in 1991. But they got #2 because during training camp in 1990, the Bucs traded them the pick for QB Chris Chandler. I've never really been able to understand the logic of the move from Tampa Bay's side, other then teams were more willing to trade picks and make bold moves back then.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I can and have imagined that!

In 1992, the Colts ended up with picks #1 and #2 in the draft. They got #1 the old fashioned way, but going 1-15 in 1991. But they got #2 because during training camp in 1990, the Bucs traded them the pick for QB Chris Chandler. I've never really been able to understand the logic of the move from Tampa Bay's side, other then teams were more willing to trade picks and make bold moves back then.

I remember Chandler in the later stages of his career, but I was 2 when that trade happened. Was he ever THAT highly regarded? I mean obviously the Bucs probably didnt expect to be that bad with him, but still.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

I remember Chandler in the later stages of his career, but I was 2 when that trade happened. Was he ever THAT highly regarded? I mean obviously the Bucs probably didnt expect to be that bad with him, but still.

No, not really. He was a third round pick in 88, and started most of the season for Indy. His second year, he was injured and missed most of the season, and then the Colts and Falcons made a huge trade where Indy ended up with the first pick and took Jeff George as their presumptive franchise QB. So that made Chandler expendable, and TB gave up their first rounder two years later.

But he wasn't special there, and the Bucs traded him to the Cardinals in the middle of the next season. He spent a few seasons in Arizona as a sometimes starter, then one with the Rams, and then a couple in Houston after Warren Moon left, but before Steve McNair took over. Then he signed with the Falcons, where he had his longest and greatest stretch of success, and was their QB when they went to the Super Bowl under Dan Reeves. When they drafted dog killer, Chandler moved on to the Bears for a few years before Rex Grossman took over.

He basically was Ryan Fitzpatrick of the 90s, starting at times for seven different franchises.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I can and have imagined that!

In 1992, the Colts ended up with picks #1 and #2 in the draft. They got #1 the old fashioned way, but going 1-15 in 1991. But they got #2 because during training camp in 1990, the Bucs traded them the pick for QB Chris Chandler. I've never really been able to understand the logic of the move from Tampa Bay's side, other then teams were more willing to trade picks and make bold moves back then.

If you remeber Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt you’ll also remember they didn’t end up helping the Colts that much. Emtman was good but injured and Coryatt was a bust.

"Pauly wrote:

If you remeber Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt you’ll also remember they didn’t end up helping the Colts that much. Emtman was good but injured and Coryatt was a bust.

I do. That was the first draft that I ever watched. But the fact that the players didn't pan out doesn't mean that the strategy was a poor one, or that it couldn't have been fantastic. Just horrendous luck on the part of the Colts.

I mean, in 1990, they draft one of the most gifted quarterbacks to ever play the game in Jeff George, but it doesn't work out because of his personality problems and their weak coaching. George generally had weak head coaches his entire career, and I think that he had someone stronger, he would have become a lot more than he was.

Then in 92, they basically just get as unlucky as you can. Entman got hurt his rookie year and was never healthy. Coryatt got hurt his rookie year too, and then was never really in a position where he had any help. Then they took DB Ashley Ambrose at the top of the second round, and he never became a starter for them in four seasons, but then went on to be a solid starter on other teams for eight seasons, well into his 30s.

They were also sort of the victims of the fact that while the 92 draft had a lot of solid guys in it, there weren't many super stars. But sometimes that happens. Imagine having the top two picks in 1989, and picking through Troy Aikman, Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, and Deion Sanders, all who went in the top 5.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I do. That was the first draft that I ever watched. But the fact that the players didn't pan out doesn't mean that the strategy was a poor one, or that it couldn't have been fantastic. Just horrendous luck on the part of the Colts.

I mean, in 1990, they draft one of the most gifted quarterbacks to ever play the game in Jeff George, but it doesn't work out because of his personality problems and their weak coaching. George generally had weak head coaches his entire career, and I think that he had someone stronger, he would have become a lot more than he was.

Then in 92, they basically just get as unlucky as you can. Entman got hurt his rookie year and was never healthy. Coryatt got hurt his rookie year too, and then was never really in a position where he had any help. Then they took DB Ashley Ambrose at the top of the second round, and he never became a starter for them in four seasons, but then went on to be a solid starter on other teams for eight seasons, well into his 30s.

They were also sort of the victims of the fact that while the 92 draft had a lot of solid guys in it, there weren't many super stars. But sometimes that happens. Imagine having the top two picks in 1989, and picking through Troy Aikman, Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, and Deion Sanders, all who went in the top 5.

I'll honestly pass on Aikman. He was the NFL version of Ken Dorsey at UM or Matt Leinart at USC in my eyes.

The Texans are taking it to the Jags, so the dream of them getting the #1 pick for Miami takes a HUGE hit.

"Deus ex dolphin wrote:

The Texans are taking it to the Jags, so the dream of them getting the #1 pick for Miami takes a HUGE hit.

Go Jets! Go Giants! Win some games!