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"danmarino wrote:

The Texans have a great defense and their offense is top notch. And if the Texans win it won't be because the Colts suck. It will be because the Texans beat a very good team.

I might be using a bit of hyperbole.

Obviously they don't suck, obviousoy they aren't actually a shit sandwich.

My overall point was I don't think they are that great or leaps and bounds ahead of us.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

I might be using a bit of hyperbole.

Obviously they don't suck, obviousoy they aren't actually a **** sandwich.

My overall point was I don't think they are that great or leaps and bounds ahead of us.

Between Watson and Watt, they are. We simply don't have playmakers of that caliber. X might come somewhat close, but you can always just throw away from him.

"danmarino wrote:

Tua is the real deal. Unless something unexpected happens, he quits or gets hurt, he will be either the 1st or 2nd pick (Trevor Lawrence being the other) in the draft he comes out in.

Trevor is a true freshman though - he's got 2 more years at least. Herbert and Fromm will compete for top spot though most likely. Agreed, Tua is legit.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Between Watson and Watt, they are. We simply don't have playmakers of that caliber. X might come somewhat close, but you can always just throw away from him.

Trevor is a true freshman though - he's got 2 more years at least. Herbert and Fromm will compete for top spot though most likely. Agreed, Tua is legit.

He was talking about the Colts.

Yeah, and most likely Tua and Lawrence will both be coming out the same year. CK has said many times that Tua's family have pretty much demanded that he graduate. Which will put him in the NFL draft 2021. Same as Lawrence.

I havnt studied the qbs that will be a Kai me this year or next but if your going g to do a legitimate tank you have to be 100 percent sure he’s the next Luck, Wilson, Mahomes, Watson.

"djphinfan wrote:

I ha ent studied the qbs that will be a Kai me this year or next but if your going g to do a legitimate tank you have to be 100 percent sure he’s the next Luck, Wilson, Mahomes, Watson.

The irony ofc being that 3 of those guys were passed over multiple times by needy teams.

"texanphinatic wrote:

The irony ofc being that 3 of those guys were passed over multiple times by needy teams.

so much for the professionals GMs of the world.. that position isn’t deserved by some thts why I do t think they know more than some who don’t have the position.

"danmarino wrote:

Tua is the real deal. Unless something unexpected happens, he quits or gets hurt, he will be either the 1st or 2nd pick (Trevor Lawrence being the other) in the draft he comes out in.

Not even a top five prospect next year.

"texanphinatic wrote:

The irony ofc being that 3 of those guys were passed over multiple times by needy teams.

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All of those QBs, maybe Luck not included, went to teams that had elite aspects to them. Wilson, Mohomes, and Watson all went to teams with Elite Defenses. 2 went to coaches that have won the SB. All except Wilson have had very good O-lines. And All 4 have teams that tend to excel in the 2nd half of the season. The point is is that it wont matter who the QB is if the O-line still sucks and if the defense continues to hold teams to under 300 yards rushing.

"WestCoast Phins wrote:

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All of those QBs, maybe Luck not included, went to teams that had elite aspects to them. Wilson, Mohomes, and Watson all went to teams with Elite Defenses. 2 went to coaches that have won the SB. All except Wilson have had very good O-lines. And All 4 have teams that tend to excel in the 2nd half of the season. The point is is that it wont matter who the QB is if the O-line still sucks and if the defense continues to hold teams to under 300 yards rushing.

What? Chiefs are not an elite defense at all. The Texans weren't last year either. Neither Mahomes nor Watson play for SB winning coaches, and Wilson helped Pete win his first. Watson and Wilson play behind some of the worst lines in the league. We should absolutely look at upgrading our OL and defense, but that does not preclude taking a QB if we have the chance and feel strongly.

As much as I know the offensive line on this team is the single worst aspect of it, if there is a qb they love in this draft they have to do everything they can to go get him.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Not even a top five prospect next year.

Tua isn't a top 5 prospect next year? haha

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

I might be using a bit of hyperbole.

Obviously they don't suck, obviousoy they aren't actually a **** sandwich.

My overall point was I don't think they are that great or leaps and bounds ahead of us.

Those Colts sure looked fantastic tonight..

"danmarino wrote:

Those Colts sure looked fantastic tonight..

What did you think of their OL?

LT Anthony Castonzo drafted 1st/22nd/2011
LG Quenton Nelson drafted 1st/6th/ rookie
OC Ryan Kelly drafted 1st/18th/2016
RG Mark Glowinski drafted 4th/134th/2015 Seahawks
RT Braden Smith drafted 2nd/37/rookie

"WestCoast Phins wrote:

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All of those QBs, maybe Luck not included, went to teams that had elite aspects to them. Wilson, Mohomes, and Watson all went to teams with Elite Defenses. 2 went to coaches that have won the SB. All except Wilson have had very good O-lines. And All 4 have teams that tend to excel in the 2nd half of the season. The point is is that it wont matter who the QB is if the O-line still sucks and if the defense continues to hold teams to under 300 yards rushing.

I was watching Wilson last night and he may be the best QB ever handling the pocket (or lack of one). The guy is simply unbelievable to watch under pressure and I think it's almost silly to compare him to mere mortals playing the game.

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

What did you think of their OL?

LT Anthony Castonzo drafted 1st/22nd/2011
LG Quenton Nelson drafted 1st/6th/ rookie
OC Ryan Kelly drafted 1st/18th/2016
RG Mark Glowinski drafted 4th/134th/2015 Seahawks
RT Braden Smith drafted 2nd/37/rookie

I really watched the Colts this year for the first time last week (besides when we played them)- Quenton Nelson is already at the next level in terms of All-Pros. I don't know where he's rated but I haven't seen a better guard in a very long time....he makes that offense and they essentially use him like a lead fullback from the guard position. The stuff they were running on offense all flowed thru him and it's true smash-mouth football....I was honestly jealous because our RB's are way better and can't do 1/4 the stuff they're doing.

Glowinski looked average but I think it's because the rest of their line is so freaking solid- the Colts will be competitive for a very long time with that young line. To think that it's two rookies, a 3rd year and a 4th year....it's just insane that every NFL team doesn't go that route (Miami particularly).

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

I might be using a bit of hyperbole.

Obviously they don't suck, obviousoy they aren't actually a **** sandwich.

My overall point was I don't think they are that great or leaps and bounds ahead of us.

Their offensive line is leaps and bounds ahead of us...and that makes all the difference in the world.

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

What did you think of their OL?

LT Anthony Castonzo drafted 1st/22nd/2011
LG Quenton Nelson drafted 1st/6th/ rookie
OC Ryan Kelly drafted 1st/18th/2016
RG Mark Glowinski drafted 4th/134th/2015 Seahawks
RT Braden Smith drafted 2nd/37/rookie

They are playing awesome. Luck is playing terrific too and I think that helps an o-line look even better. I would not want to face the Colts. They are on fire.

"KeyFin wrote:

I was watching Wilson last night and he may be the best QB ever handling the pocket (or lack of one). The guy is simply unbelievable to watch under pressure and I think it's almost silly to compare him to mere mortals playing the game.

I agree. He's just fantastic..

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

Yeah, teams that fail on purpose disgust me. It shows the front office is incompetent and can't properly build a team.

Notice how teams that take a dive often still suck with their shiny new QB?

I mean, Luck was supposedly the best prospect in forever and the Colts are still a pretty bad team.

The've made the playoffs 4 of his 6 years as a starter and has lead his team to a 4-3 playoff record. I would say he's holding up his end of the bargain.

"KeyFin wrote:

Their offensive line is leaps and bounds ahead of us...and that makes all the difference in the world.

I dont disagree with that, but we have two good bookends to work with. Hope isnt lost for that unit to become great quickly with the right additions.