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2019 QB's Thread

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Galant, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. Galant

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    This might help:

    And then there's this on Tua expectations...
     
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  3. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    It’s not a situation of end all, be all but I am definitely looking forward to this match up.
     
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  12. Vertical Limit

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    Word is spreading Tua is not going to play this Saturday... his ankle is giving him problems again. He hasnt practiced so far this week.
     
  13. rafael

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    IMO the time frame that had him playing 21 days after surgery was ridiculously aggressive. I think if it hadn't been LSU that week he would have sat. I hope they give him time to rest and heal. Those screws may prevent further injury to the ligament, but inflammation around the screws themselves has to be an issue. While that wouldn't be a long-term concern, I do think that you risk having to go back in there and fixing stuff that hasn't set right. I think that he would probably best served giving the tissue and bone around those screws time to heal.
     
  14. Vertical Limit

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    What Jalen Hurts did today in Waco, down 25 points.. he made his mistakes but never let it put him down.. the guy is simply a competitor, a football player..
     
  15. Galant

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  18. Striking

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  19. Galant

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  20. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    They are suggesting the best move for Love is for him to transfer to another college program next year and if it's the right school he has the potential to be a top 10 pick in the 2021 draft. That may be what's best for him $$ wise, but if he does enter the draft, I wouldn't mind if we took the guy with a day 2 pick and developed him ourselves. We could trade back one of our 1st., get ourselves another 2nd rounder and then use it on Love.
     
  21. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I'm starting to warm up to Hurts if we end up picking where it looks like we will, missing Burrow.

    That said I wont be mad if we take Tua either. I'm not a huge fan of his, but I'm also not an NFL scout and if the team believes in him enough to take him in the first I'll deal with it.
     
  22. Triggercut

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    Some more quotes from your article:

    "From what the doctors say, they expect a full recovery and I'll be able to go out there and play football again at 100 percent"

    "Tagovailoa's prognosis has been categorized as "excellent.""

    "there's also a strong chance that he can bounce back whether he heads to the NFL or stays at Alabama for another year."
     
  23. Galant

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    https://thespun.com/sec/alabama-cri...rutledge-provides-update-on-qb-tua-tagovailoa

    "The hip injury that Tua Tagovailoa suffered against Mississippi State will not end his playing career as some initially feared. But there are still all kinds of questions as to how his potential NFL draft stock may have been affected."

    “The doctors who performed the surgery feel incredibly confident he will make a full recovery,” Rutledge said. “I think the key here is the surgical repair and proper rehab has allowed healing of the joint capsule and the soft tissues around the joint — that makes the chances of having the injury again the same for someone who’s never had it. So it’s not something they believe will recur.

    “He also had two guys on his back fall directly onto his right knee and that caused the hip to dislocate out the back. It’s rare. It’s a fluky injury. Doctors will assure these NFL teams of that and I’m hearing the rehab is going well and is on time.”
     
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    Eason is coming out. I only watched one game and was not impressed.
     
  25. Unlucky 13

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    There will be questions that simply can't be answered until he's playing football again. Any team that drafts him is taking a really big risk.
     
  26. Unlucky 13

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    "strong chance that he can bounce back" isn't exactly the kind of wording that makes me want to spend a top five pick on a player.....
     
  27. Triggercut

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    That's an opinion from the writer of the article, here's what the Doctors are telling him

    "From what the doctors say, they expect a full recovery and I'll be able to go out there and play football again at 100 percent"
     
  28. Galant

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  29. thetylernator

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    Absolutely love the way the draft order fell. Obviously, much can change from now to draft day, but right now, we're in a prime position to sell that No. 5 pick to the highest bidder. Everyone knows that the Chargers will be in the market for a QB, and they're picking directly behind us at No. 6. Meanwhile, Justin Herbert is projected to be the second QB off the board. Assuming Burrow goes first overall, you're looking at a scenario where picks 2-4 are BPA/non QB (with the only possible exception being the Lions, but Matt Patricia knows he needs to win now and his best bet is to draft BPA and invest in Stafford).

    This leaves Herbert available at No. 5, and I can already see several teams calling about leapfrogging the Chargers.

    Best case scenario? The Raiders opt to move on from Derek Carr, packaging both first round picks (#12 & #19) for the opportunity to select Gruden and Mayock's QB of the future. According to the draft trade value chart, those two picks are worth 2,075 points. Our fifth overall selection is worth 1,500, but if we toss in our 2nd round pick (#39 - 500) you've got a trade on your hands. And, conveniently, that #12 pick is directly ahead of the Colts at #13 -- who are the only real threat to snag Tua at that juncture.

    For the first time since the draft of 2000, a team would make four first round selections.

    1A - Tua Tagovailoa
    1B - Tristan Wirfs
    1C - C.J. Henderson
    1D - Jonathan Taylor

    That's a quick way to turn around a franchise.
     
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  30. Galant

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  31. Galant

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    Legit?

     
  32. Galant

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    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...tagovailoa-alabama-nfl-draft-injury-hip-money

    "Money lost is money lost.

    Those are Tua Tagovailoa’s own words in regard to the factors he is weighing in determining whether to declare for the NFL draft or return for his senior season at Alabama.

    It is good to see how thoughtful the young man is being about his future. As an orthopedic surgeon, I certainly value a college education and am glad to see him considering a return.

    His words seemed to indicate his awareness that the money in draft picks 1-24 is a lot higher than the late first round or the second round. In his mind, he could return to play quarterback at Alabama and get himself back up to the top and avoid the money lost when he was injured.

    But there is risk as well.

    Tagovailoa suffered a right hip dislocation with posterior wall fracture. The hope is he can avoid a “Bo Jackson” situation where avascular necrosis (AVN), which is a lack of blood supply to the ball of the femur, causes the bone and overlying cartilage to die out.

    Even if he avoids this, Tagovailoa cannot avoid the inevitable post-traumatic arthritis. He also has had two ankle surgeries.

    If he returns to college and gets hurt again, it could be costly. If he returns to school but doesn’t return to the same form on the field, it could be more costly.

    It is unlikely that Tua will be able to work out in full leading up to the 2020 NFL Draft. Team medical staffs will only be able evaluate his physical exam, imaging studies and medical records to forecast his medical status. However, given that this is a quarterback-driven league, I don’t see how someone doesn’t take him based on potential. (The Dolphins have three first-round draft picks. Perhaps they would invest one of those on a potential franchise quarterback.)

    The biggest consideration is that Tua’s hip only has so many miles left on it. He is at high risk to need future total hip replacement. Arthritis is inevitable. Does he want to use some of the limited “tread life” for his hip in college?

    Further, the big money is in the second contract. By coming out now, he could get to that contract one year sooner, which could be advantageous in his race against time on his hip degenerating.

    While I have a deep understanding this decision is a personal one. factoring in the medical condition of his hip and the future arthritis, it seems the prudent choice is to declare for the draft and rehab while being paid rather than using up some of what is left of the life in his hip without getting paid."
     
  33. AGuyNamedAlex

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    This is interesting because it directly contradicts what I'd previously seen written from medical experts.

    Previously I'd read that if the surgery was successful he would have no additional risk of injury above a person who had never had the injury to begin with.

    Partially due to the amount of force it actually takes to be injured in that way. It was an absolutely freak hit and injury.
     
  34. rafael

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    My understanding is that he'll be at no additional risk of injury, but he will be prone to arthritis down the line. Technically, arthritis wouldn't be an injury and might not be something he has to deal with until after he retires from football. If it does affect him later in his career it would primarily be a pain tolerance issue.
     
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  35. Galant

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    Up for a little wishful thinking?

     
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  39. Galant

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    Ignoring that this comes from Cowherd, what do you think of the concept of Tua over Burrow?

     
  40. rafael

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    Without the injury risk Tua would be the #1 QB over Burrow. I think most everybody admits that. I don't agree that it's by "a mile" as Cowherd said though. But he was right in pointing out that Burrow was not a great QB last season. He improved when the system changed. Tua has been great in a couple of different systems.
     
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