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2019 QB Race

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, May 2, 2019.

  1. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Two problems with this. How do you determine whether the offensive line is likely needing to gel or likely to improve at all? The second issue is, making your decision based on the offensive line and not how the starter is playing is recipe for disaster in the locker room and the fan base.
     
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  2. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    obviously the context on how Rosen is playing is also a factor. If he's balling in training camp, I put him out there regardless of the line. I just don't expect to see that.
     
  3. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Rosen was drafted with the 10th overall pick last season. We picked him up for this year's LATE second round and next years fifth round. I'd call that a steal.

    Developing a quarterback to start is not the same as sit and wait. Your post suggests that EVERY first round drafted quarterback instantly starts...and is a success.
     
  4. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    His post doesnt suggest that at all, I'm not sure how you took that from it.

    His post suggests that basing when Rosen starts off of the performance of other units is stupid. It is.

    QB's dont start immediately because they lack the understanding of professional football and the speed of the game. Neither issue applies to Rosen, and teams have done a lot of research into whether starting a QB immediately ruins them. Hint...it doesnt.

    If he wins the job he needs to start period.
     
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  5. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    If Rosen takes command of the offense (both guys are new to it, right?) and plays well in the preseason, then you have to consider giving him the start from game one. If the OL is a mess, I could see giving the vet QB the start for the first month or so.

    If the team has a winning record, even 2-2 actually, it would be awkward to try and put Rosen in to replace Fitz. The odds say that Fitz will be struggling though, and the way he showed up out of shape tells me he is just in Miami to collect another season of paychecks before retiring.
    He would make a decent #2 QB though, as he seems to play better off the bench.

    We have to KNOW if Rosen is the QB of the future before the end of 2019, so even with a bad OL you have to give him the majority of the starts.
     
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  6. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  7. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Starting a QB immediately won’t ruin a QB. Bad coaching can and will. My poster child example of this is Chad Henne who guy turned into “Check down Chad” by our coaching staff. As a college QB Henne aggressively attacked downfield but we coached that part of his game out of him. Just imagine how people would view Jared Goff if Jeff Fisher was still coaching the Rams.

    If you’re in a position to start a rookie QB you are more likely than not to have a poor coaching staff. There aren’t many situations for a Russel Wilson, a Ben Rothlisberger or a Dan Marino to be handed the keys to a well established well coached team as a rookie.
     
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  8. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Just to be clear, I should have said "QB's who dont start early"

    I meant the few that dont are generally incapable of doing so. I agree though.
     
  9. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Agreed. A high quality rookie QB should be better than a mediocre-average veteran. And if they show ability in practice then a team is probably better off in the long term starting them and let them get real time experience even if the results are a little inferior to a journeyman starter.

    The exceptions people point to, like Aaron Rodgers and Pat Mahomes almost always were sitting behind better than average QBs who had legitimate shots at taking their teams to the playoffs.
     
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  10. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  11. mbsinmisc

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    This is the single most important thing the Dolphins need to assess over the course of 2019. You can miss at other positions, but if Flores wants to stay an NFL head coach, he must find the right QB. I think we all agree it is not Fitzception, so give Rosen the opportunity to prove his mettle.
     
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  12. djphinfan

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    I wouldn’t just throw Rosen in with the new system to learn, he’s shown clearly he’s not ready for the speed of the game, so learning a new system is not gonna help that process speed up..

    I would see where we’re at at the bye, and go from there..
     
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  13. danmarino

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    I think the decision on whom to start at QB needs to play out. Who looks the best in camp? If Fitz looks the best you play him. Allow Rosen's chip to grow if need be, but don't start a young QB who isn't ready. However, if Rosen beats out Fitz then he should start. It's that simple.
     
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  14. AGuyNamedAlex

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    There is no value to playing Fitz period the more I think about it. The worst thing that can happen is Rosen isnt the guy and we win a few extra games.
     
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  15. Hooligan

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    Rosen needs to learn all that he can from Fitz, what to do and what not to do. This will be the "honeymoon" for Flores so, why rush the kid into the game? It's going to be chaos in the trenches and on the sidelines until the team gels. Let the dust settle first and then evaluate the talent. No way Rosen is going to handle chaos better than Fitz.
     
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  16. AGuyNamedAlex

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    See to me, it absolutely doesn't matter if he handles it better or worse.

    The first weeks are when you are least likely to see any complex defenses. The experience in those first weeks is more valuable than anything Fitz can do on the field.

    Winning an extra game or two would set us back way farther than losing.
     
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  17. Miamiforlife

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    Fitz is not our future. Rosen might be?
    Let rosen play this year unless he starts sucking. Then we know we need to draft a new qb in 2020. It’s sink or swim time for rosen.
     
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  18. RevRick

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    Which is precisely why you don't start a guy who was blasted behind Arizona's line with it's next nearest competitor for inadequacy - our line!! He's already been slobber-knocked for the bulk of a season - why further ruin whatever competitive spirit he may have lurking around by throwing him to the lions to satisfy some patrons who are impatient, frustrated, and loud! Finding time to get him into the game - fine. Rebuild the line first to at least better than inadequate. See who can play upfront and do PassPro - that is the way to sustain winning seasons.. after everyone gets on the same page - and that ain't gonna happen fast or soon! Any one around here remember Rick Norton? David Woodley? John Stofa? A.J. Feeley? Sage Rosenfels? Gus Frerotte? Wanna see another QB wind up under a pile of defensive lineman coming out looking like a broken mannequin whose brain is playing 'Tubular Bells?'
     
  19. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Like I said, the least complex defenses are weeks 1-3 or 4 of the season.

    You wont even know if the line can block for beyond 4 games. The first 3 will show us nothing...so how long do you sit him?

    Not getting reps with the first team will set him back even farther. You're creating a situation where we will not be able to evaluate him.

    Only a mentally deficient person would sit him if he wins the job.
     
  20. RevRick

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    And starting him against the Ravens and the Patriots will certainly show us a lot about how fast he can cover the ball during a sack. Really fine way to start a brand new quarterback.
     
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  21. texanphinatic

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    There are good pass rushers and defenses up and down the schedule. The early weeks are typically when offense is ahead of the game. Patriots are actually a good example, they are often slow starters. Things are generally more vanilla early in the season.

    Rosen needs to play. And if he sucks to the point he can't beat out Fitz? Then he's not really worth it anyway.

    Make no mistake, Rosen is a flier, a lotto ticket rather than an investment. Grier pretty much said if he works out then fantastic, if not, we are still in position to draft a 2020 top guy.
     
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  22. Tin Indian

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    I still say, give him a few games of mop up duty and then turn the keys over to him. Give him a minute to really get up to game speed. I understand and agree with the argument that we HAVE to know by the time the season ends, but I don't need 16 full games of tape to know for sure. 10-11 full games plus a few games of partial tape will be enough.
     
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  23. texanphinatic

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    Ultimately, it will simply come down to practice and preseason. If Rosen is struggling and looks like *** while Fitz is steady, then Fitz will start, and maybe Rosen worms his way in after a few games after garbage Fitz inevitably surfaces. If Rosen looks even halfway decent and competent, he will start and we will see what we have.

    We will also see who is taking the most first team snaps once the practices really start going. I suspect it will be Rosen. While he isn't being crowned anything, he is going to be handed every opportunity to stake his claim and impress (or fail).

    This is 100% Rosen's job to win or lose. Fitz will barely play into it at all imo.
     
  24. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Rosen has already played a season in Arizona. That is why I think starting him from the beginning is important. We absolutely need to know what we have with him by the seasons end. With that said, I'm all for this being an open competition, but Fitzpatrick has been a career backup and an occasional spark plug type of QB. If anything, Fitz can stay here and be the backup until he's 40 years old for all I care. I love Fitz the personality, but no way should he be our starting QB from day one. If that is in fact the case, then Rosen clearly didn't do what was necessary to win over the staff. No, Rosen should be the day one starter, he is here to be evaluated. He's already had a baptism by fire season in Arizona. This is year two for him still.
    My gut tells me that he's going to struggle at times and flash at other times. Eventually this board will once again divide into pro Rosen and anti Rosen posters. He'll have an up and down year and because of the uncertainty it will force the F.O's hand to draft another QB with their top pick. Hopefully i'm wrong and we have our guy, but I don't think that'll be the case. This situation has Miami Dolphin disaster written all over it. We've seen this too many times to be fooled again. I'm prepared for the worst and hoping for the best.
     
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