2019 QB Race

I believe Fitz should start on day one of the regular season. Much like Marino's rookie year and Mayfield last season, let Rosen sit and learn with no pressure. By game 4 or 5 when and if Fitz falters, the kid will be chomping at the bit to come in and play. It worked for Marino, it worked for Mayfield. Tannehill may have developed completely differently if he wasn't rushed into the spotlight behind such a weak line. As it was, he never had much of an opportunity to develop any confidence. Philbin was an idiot.

You have to evaluate Rosen.

Priority #1 going into 2020 is the selection of a QB. If by some chance you don't have to do that, then great.

And if Rosen is truly bad and loses you a lot of games...well, that's great, too! :)

Rosen absolutely has to start asap.

Fitzpatrick shouldn't be on the roster. We have to see if Rosen can be the real deal from day 1. If Rosen stinks then they can look at a QB in the 2020 draft. There is no point in having Fitzpatrick on this team.

Quite simply it should be Rosen or bust.

Nobody wants to see this out there.

If Rosen is healthy, and looks the way almost everyone expects him to in camp, then I think that the only reason he doesn't start Week 1 would be that the team is really worried about the OL and how the rest of the offense is coming together. If Flores, Oshae and the others look at it and are worried its going to be a disaster, then let Fitz deal with that as the veteran for the first few weeks to a month. Then once things are a little better with a few games in, put Rosen in.

For Rosen to be successful, Fitzpatrick has to start. That dude has a deal with the devil.

Not even a contest. Rosen will start

I dont think Rosen is up to par with the speed of the game, and I don't think camp or preseason is going to accomplish that, we also have to take into account he’s learning yet again another new scheme, which will take your speed down a notch, we have an early bye this year, I think I would let him start after the bye..

"djphinfan wrote:

I do t think Rosen is up to par with the speed of the game, and I don't think camp or preseason is going to accomplish that, we also have to take into account he’s kearning yet again another new scheme, which will take your speed down a notch, we have an early bye this year, I think I would let him start after the bye..

Thats a good thought, until Fitzpatrick has Miami at 2-2 and throws 10 TDs to 3 INTs in the first 4 games. Now all the sudden starting him has been an awful idea. You can not leave it to chance. We have to see what Rosen is over the season. If he can start week 5, he can start week 1 and work through the lumps

"Nappy Roots wrote:

Thats a good thought, until Fitzpatrick has Miami at 2-2 and throws 10 TDs to 3 INTs in the first 4 games. Now all the sudden starting him has been an awful idea. You can not leave it to chance. We have to see what Rosen is over the season. If he can start week 5, he can start week 1 and work through the lumps

This is also my opinion.

He's had an entire season under his belt. We have 16 games to determine if he is worth passing on a QB next year. I dont want us passing on a single one of those 16 opportunities.

"Nappy Roots wrote:

Thats a good thought, until Fitzpatrick has Miami at 2-2 and throws 10 TDs to 3 INTs in the first 4 games. Now all the sudden starting him has been an awful idea. You can not leave it to chance. We have to see what Rosen is over the season. If he can start week 5, he can start week 1 and work through the lumps

Nightmare scenario. I don't want to see any "Is Fitzpatrick the answer?! / Playoffs?!" threads because you know there will be. I don't want our fans to be the latest fooled by the "Fitzmagic" fraud.

Rosen or bust.

It depends on training camp and preseason. One might grasp the playbook sooner than the other. I think you have to see what you have in both and do the evaluation 1st.

You guys think they'll keep Fitz around?

"resnor wrote:

You guys think they'll keep Fitz around?

They should cut him right now. He is cursed!

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Fitzpatrick shouldn't be on the roster. We have to see if Rosen can be the real deal from day 1. If Rosen stinks then they can look at a QB in the 2020 draft. There is no point in having Fitzpatrick on this team.

Quite simply it should be Rosen or bust.

Pushing Rosen to start day 1 is the equivalent of what the Dolphins did to Chad Henne. He wasn’t ready and if he had the development time, he MIGHT have been a damned fine quarterback.

Miami essentially stole a first round draft pick quarterback. Now, if it’s an investment, then take the time to develop and make sure he’s ready...like Marino, like Mayfield. If he’s just an experiment you plan on throwing to the wolves regardless of whether or not he is ready, then the trade was as stupid as a football bat

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Pushing Rosen to start day 1 is the equivalent of what the Dolphins did to Chad Henne. He wasn’t ready and if he had the development time, he MIGHT have been a damned fine quarterback.

Miami essentially stole a first round draft pick quarterback. Now, if it’s an investment, then take the time to develop and make sure he’s ready...like Marino, like Mayfield. If he’s just an experiment you plan on throwing to the wolves regardless of whether or not he is ready, then the trade was as stupid as a football bat

Saying we 'stole' a first round QB is a little much. We were the highest bidder on the market, his worth is what the market says it is.

And Henne would never have been good. The sit and wait theory has so many holes in it. Unless speaking about QBs that were injured due to terrible OL.

If one thing should have been made clear last year is it helps to have your rookie QB ride the pine. If you can, his whole 1st season. (See Patrick Mahomes). That's the way it used to be done all the time. This idea of rushing a young QB onto the field game 1 just because you drafted him high is a mistake. Marino didn't even start til later in his 1st season. He did mop up duty for a few games and slowly worked up his playing time til you couldn't justify keeping him on the bench any longer. I am fully aware that Rosen is in his 2nd season but I would much rather they treat him like Marino, Mop up duty for a few games and then start him. Throwing him or any other young QB to the wolves is no way to find out how good he is going to be. I'd say there is a far greater chance you set him up for failure if you do that. We all KNOW how bad this offensive line is going to be so why not give them some time to jell as well.

He has to start this year and get as much playing time as possible in, we have to know when the season is over if this guy is going to be the guy. But we don't HAVE to rush him out on the field in the 1st game as a starter. That just does not make any sense to me. Further you can't tell me that it's going to make some tremendous difference in his evaluation if he only starts 10 games instead of all 16.

Have some patience. We'll see our shiny new toy soon enough.

The ONLY reason to keep and allow Fitz say, 2-3 starts at the beginning of the season is to let a new look OL gel a bit before throwing Rosen in.

Rosen was not brought in to sit on the bench, he was brought in to play and be evaluated.

Josh Rosen is not going to get better sitting on the bench. There's not a single player who would prefer to ride the pine as he prepared. You always want game reps.

You can put him there after 2 weeks or after 10 weeks or start him right away and you're getting the same guy in that first start.

I'd start him all 16 games and weight my analysis based on who he looked like during weeks 9-17.

Tom Brady doesn't always look like Tom Brady in September but that doesn't mean the Patriots hold him back either. The longer you hold Rosen out, the longer it'll take before he gets acclimated and starts looking normal.

You're trying to see what his "normal" is and that'll take time...the more of it he has, the better.

You're only hurting him if (A) you expect greatness in September which is totally unrealistic or (B) you think the O-line sucks out loud in which case it doesn't matter because it'll be as bad or worse later in the year.

Asking him to demonstrate what he can do while cutting back the reps he has does nothing to help him.

So long as he wants to start...he starts.

"Hooligan wrote:

I believe Fitz should start on day one of the regular season. Much like Marino's rookie year and Mayfield last season, let Rosen sit and learn with no pressure. By game 4 or 5 when and if Fitz falters, the kid will be chomping at the bit to come in and play. It worked for Marino, it worked for Mayfield. Tannehill may have developed completely differently if he wasn't rushed into the spotlight behind such a weak line. As it was, he never had much of an opportunity to develop any confidence. Philbin was an idiot.

Big boy talk - I am going to tell you something. There is a ton of pressure on Rosen. When the talking heads say that the what happened to Rosen this year could happen again in 2020, they aren't joking.

Second point - We aren't winning the Super Bowl this year.

Just knowing those two things, we need to make the organizational decision to give Rosen every available opportunity to be successful, and we need as big of a sample size as possible to evaluate Rosen as possible. I would give him an overwhelming majority of the first team snaps in camp, start him in week 1, with the ultimate goal of him having a solid 5 game stretch at the end of the season. To be honest, I am not as concerned with the first 5 games as I am with the last 5 games.

Third big boy point - In no way, shape, or form is Rosen in the same situation as Mayfield and Marino. It is the worst kept secret that Phins' front office is infatuated with Tua. It might not be fair or just, but that is the reality of the situation. Rosen is going to have to show something this year, or I suspect he will be replaced.

Here is the bigger picture. It just isn't Rosen. O'Shea and Flores are learning on the job. They, like Rosen, are going to have to adjust on the fly. The best way to scheme around Rosen is to have film on Rosen. The only way to have film on Rosen is to play him. I know guys on this board are going to quote his season stats. Like I said before, I am going to completely ignore and write off early failures. Honestly, I don't care if he throws 10 INTs in the first three games. I will give him a pass. I just wanna see how the last 5 games look. I am going to watch the o-line play. I know that it currently is less than ideal, but I don't know how much of an excuse he is going to get.

His chance isn't ideal, but he is getting a chance, and in the NFL, that is more than a lot of guys will get.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

This is also my opinion.

He's had an entire season under his belt. We have 16 games to determine if he is worth passing on a QB next year. I dont want us passing on a single one of those 16 opportunities.

Our whole offensive line has to learn to play together with multiple new starters. I have zero problems letting them play a few games and letting Rosen come in after the bye week in week 5. 12 games is plenty of time to judge Rosen (assuming he stays healthy and plays all 12 games). Now, if the Oline is playing well in preseason to give us confidence that Rosen won't get killed week 1, I'm fine with him starting, but I'd let the Oline dictate when to start the kid

Wonderlic scores are pretty meaningless. No one even really can say how they relate to actual football smarts. By all accounts isn't Rosen quite intelligent? I just don't see any reason to keep Fitz.

"resnor wrote:

Wonderlic scores are pretty meaningless. No one even really can say how they relate to actual football smarts. By all accounts isn't Rosen quite intelligent? I just don't see any reason to keep Fitz.

you keep Fitz because he keeps you competitive and right now anyone behind Fitz and Rosen is garbage. The coach wants the players playing their hearts out. Keeping Fitz - whether he's starter or backup sends a message (or more like cutting him sends a negative message)